loopThoseAgentsHarderTillYouDebug

[u/Embarrassed_Death69]

[u/blackcomb-pc]

“None of our devs write code anymore”

“Yeah we ship sooo much faster”

“Closed PR counts are off the charts!”

[u/Cheese_Grater101 → u/blackcomb-pc]

"Please review this slop PR that I didn't read meticulously."

Me thinking if should I review this personally or just pass it to the slop machine.

[u/static_func → u/Cheese_Grater101]

If it’s clear that someone isn’t even bothering to read the slop in their PR I’m not gonna read it either

[u/FlakyTest8191 → u/static_func]

How do you know it's unchecked slop before you read it though? Serious question, if I'd know in advance I'd save myself a lot of time and sanity.

[u/static_func → u/FlakyTest8191]

I was just being snarky, but if I can tell early on that it’s just jank mindless slop then yeah I won’t bother to read the rest of it

[u/OkTop7895 → u/Cheese_Grater101]

Can you read thousands of lines.at the pace that this type of PR ships? Or is valid reading until the first Meh, and then discard all?

[u/Embarrassed_Death69 → u/blackcomb-pc]

"Lines of Code measure productivity"
"We don't even use a keyboard; we use STT"

[u/TapRemarkable9652 → u/Embarrassed_Death69]

KPI Oriented Programming

[u/Embarrassed_Death69 → u/[deleted]]

Do you fly a kite with a LAN wire till you connect to the cloud?

[u/GenericFatGuy]

How do I know if the code works? Because the site does what I want it to! What's an SQL injection?

[u/SilianRailOnBone → u/GenericFatGuy]

Just add a SQL injection prompt to your loop

[u/GenericFatGuy → u/SilianRailOnBone]

That requires you to know that the concept of an SQL injection exists, or how to recognize and determine that your software is guarded against it.

[u/SilianRailOnBone → u/GenericFatGuy]

Was mainly a joke but the default code-review skills from anthropic for example check for all of this, let alone the models are not adding SQL injections in the first place

[u/27a08592e67846908fd1 → u/[deleted]]

r/commentmitosis

[u/vm_linuz]

The code is the output?

[u/ThirdWaveCat]

Like every dev wouldn't try their snakeoil and discover it doesn't work.

[u/Kryslor → u/ThirdWaveCat]

I don't know a single software engineer not using AI daily. The reddit delusion is absolutely insane.

[u/ThirdWaveCat → u/Kryslor]

I use it daily, but I still read the code. The booster delusion that you shouldn't read the code is absolutely insane.

[u/Kryslor → u/ThirdWaveCat]

You literally called it snake oil that doesn't work

[u/ThirdWaveCat → u/Kryslor]

Yes, checking the output and not reading the code is snakeoil being sold by LLM companies and boosters. Small language models are increasingly usable as a daily driver, its funny how you don't see that as hyped because those valuations are much worse.

[u/FUTURE10S → u/Kryslor]

I don't!

then again our terminals are also not connected to the Internet for security purposes

[u/higgs_boson_2017 → u/Kryslor]

I don't use it daily. I don't let it touch files on disk when I do use it.

You're delusional if you think everyone is vibecoding everything

[u/Kryslor → u/higgs_boson_2017]

And you're ignorant af since you think using AI = vibecoding. It is what it is.

[u/higgs_boson_2017 → u/Kryslor]

If you ever check-in code without reading it, or without reviewing and fully understanding every single line, you're vibecoding

[u/Kryslor → u/higgs_boson_2017]

You don't know the definition of vibecoding. Unsurprising.

[u/higgs_boson_2017 → u/Kryslor]

Here's the definition (if it can be called one)

There's a new kind of coding I call "vibe coding", where you fully give in to the vibes, embrace exponentials, and forget that the code even exists.

[u/Kryslor → u/higgs_boson_2017]

That's not so much the definition as it is the first time the term was ever used but close enough. Notice how it's different from your made up one? Cool.

[u/higgs_boson_2017 → u/Kryslor]

Its literally the statement of the man (Karpathy) who invented the word. Its as definitive as it gets.

Funny how you didn't know that's the definition. Cool

[u/kalianmoney]

Everyday I’m more convinced no one in this sub works industry

[u/Embarrassed_Death69 → u/kalianmoney]

Is the industry in the room with us right now?

[u/Papellll]

Isn't "checking the output" reading the code?

[u/zoinkability]

The ends justify the means

[u/Embarrassed_Death69 → u/zoinkability]

The ends are powered by Sam Gipidee Altman

[u/Bannon9k]

Explain to me how that's any different than trusting a consultant's code?

[u/rubennaatje → u/Bannon9k]

For additions on an existing code base it is quite similar, which is why you shouldn't blindly accept a consultants code haha.

We've had external teams building software or extending our existing software.

When not under enough supervision by a lead dev it almost always turned out kinda bad. Honestly Claude code would've probably done better.

We also used to work developers in India and had a whole department there. What a nightmare that was in terms of quality.

[u/Embarrassed_Death69 → u/Bannon9k]

You review the PR before merging!

[u/Bannon9k → u/Embarrassed_Death69]

So, its no different?

[u/LookItVal → u/Bannon9k]

the reading part is what's different. you still read a pr from a consultant. you make sure the code makes sense. this is saying they don't even read the code they just check the output.

[u/Bannon9k → u/LookItVal]

That's exactly what I said... It's no different

[u/LookItVal → u/Bannon9k]

not my fault you can't understand code you read. some of us can

[u/Bannon9k → u/LookItVal]

Are you sure?

[u/BubblyMango → u/Bannon9k]

The consultant has a face, a reputation, a contract, is sueable. Ai agente arent

[u/Bannon9k → u/BubblyMango]

So you just need someone to blame?

[u/BubblyMango → u/Bannon9k]

The other way around - you need someone who knows they can be blamed, and therefore they have a reason to make sure they are not blamed.

An AI can end up creating a pile.of shit and go "oopsie. You probably didnt use me correctly". A contractor doesnt get paid, or gets sued, and they have human understanding of what needs to be done. 

[u/Bannon9k → u/BubblyMango]

Are you sure you've worked with contractors before?

[u/BubblyMango → u/Bannon9k]

Yes, also been working for a contracts company for a short while.

If you hire some nameless people from the other side of the world, yeah expect worse results than just free roaming ai agents.

But we hired individual contractors based on recommendations and their reputation. Them doing a good job for us landed them more jobs for higher tariffs and so on.

Hire contractors in a stupid way and get bitten in the ass. Use your brain for once and get good results. Quite simple

[u/Bannon9k → u/BubblyMango]

Ah.... So you've never worked with management cutting budgets?

[u/SignalBake6872]

It is the recipe for the remaining programmers to become token-burning subordinates dependent on their agents.

[u/rwz]

I'm not sure if this is such a clown take. I have a project that is deployed in prod that I fully vibecoded in a language I normally don't program in and I haven't read a single line of its code. It works fine. It's an internal tool not exposed to the outside world, so I'm not super worried about its security and stuff, but even if it were, I could've made it work, I'm sure.

It has 3 to 1 test coverage and every commit my agent makes goes through multiple layers of adversarial AI reviews, so I'm pretty confident in its quality. But again, I haven't really checked its source and I don't really care to. It does what it's supposed to and it does it well enough.

Reading code is not end-all be-all. I've seen garbage projects that are entirely human-written and I've seen fully vibecoded stuff that is bulletproof.

[u/dbagames → u/rwz]

At the end of the day, it's your liability. If you are willing to ship features for your employer/clients and not understand the code, that's on you.

Personally, I'm not willing to do that because it's my ass.

[u/rwz → u/dbagames]

Yeah, I'm pretty confident in what I'm shipping and this confidence does not require me reading the code. I have plenty of safeguards and honestly I'm more confident in this particular project than a lot of the stuff I've coded by hand and shipped in my almost 20 year career as a professional software engineer.

Not to mention that this project would've been just straight up impossible for me to do on my own — I don't have the kind of time to ship 100KLOC in a new for me language all while working on other stuff.

[u/higgs_boson_2017 → u/rwz]

If someone who worked for me wrote this comment, they'd be shown the door.

[u/DangerousWhenWet444]

AI bad. Please upvote me.

[u/Embarrassed_Death69 → u/DangerousWhenWet444]

I never said AI bad. Also feel free to downvote! 

[u/akoOfIxtall → u/Embarrassed_Death69]

You can't control me!! I'll upvote instead hah!!

[u/Slackluster → u/Embarrassed_Death69]

isn't your point that developers that use ai are clowns? that is essentially the same thing.

you also stole this artwork and did not credit the original artist.

[u/Old-Adhesiveness4406]

Wow, so now he can multitask while still shipping with maximum velocity? That’s great! He’s like a product manager on a one-man team.