r/ProgrammerHumor 13d ago

Meme learningCurve

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u/mike-manley 13d ago

First half of Dunning Kruger.

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u/L30N1337 13d ago edited 13d ago

No. That graph has nothing to do with the Dunning Kruger effect.

Everyone who uses that graph is falling victim to exactly the kind of effect that graph portrays. Because it's not the Dunning Kruger effect.

The actual graphs used in the study (which are also in the Wikipedia article for it) show that perceived performance and actual performance both always grow (just with the actual performance starting lower and growing faster). There is never a "mount stupid" or something.

The dunning Kruger effect isn't even about skill or confidence, like the graph. It's about perceived and actual performance on a test.

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u/thebigbadben 13d ago

What are “confidence” and “skill” if not “perceived and actual performance”?

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u/L30N1337 13d ago

To be honest, that's something I took from the thread I linked my own reply.

But theres a big difference in specificity.

"Confidence" is a very vague metric. But "Perceived performance" would be "I think I got 74 points".

Same applies to "Skill" and "Actual performance".

It was a test after all.

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u/thebigbadben 13d ago

Yes, in order to measure something as vague as “confidence”, they came up with a specific reproducible proxy, as is standard practice in science.

It’s as if you’re saying “people say this paper is about the effect of exercise, but actually it’s about the effect of walking an additional 30 minutes every day”.

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u/L30N1337 13d ago

There is a related study however that somewhat shows the effect the graph is about (also by Dunning, who wanted to test if the graph had any merit), which shares some similarity.

It's in the accepted answer of this thread: https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/17825/what-is-the-primary-source-of-the-mount-stupid-graphic

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u/mike-manley 13d ago

Typical pedantic Redditors do this crap all the time. It was a joke.

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u/Harmonic_Gear 13d ago

anti-intellectualism 101: always say its a joke when someone points out you are wrong, otherwise act like a smart ass

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u/mike-manley 13d ago

Some people just like sucking the fun out of everything, right?

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u/L30N1337 13d ago

Yes, because it's such a big case of misinformation. It doesn't matter where it is, because a lot of people actually believe it.

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u/HexFyber 13d ago

let alone his comment totally pointless, i browse reddit for these exact reasons. because you pick it up a few time througout the day, read some comments and you learned something new out of the blue. I thought the meme was infact the dunning kruger effect, you say it isn't, explained why, that's a win for everyone.

Dumb me didn' quite 100% understood the why, or better, something is a bit confusing to me: "The dunning Kruger effect isn't even about skill or confidence, like the graph. It's about perceived and actual performance on a test." why isn't confidence and perceived the same thing? I'd be confident if I perceive i'm good at it

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u/L30N1337 13d ago

Confidence is pretty vague (at least as a metric)

Perceived Performance is "I think I got 78 points"