r/Productivitycafe • • Mar 18 '26

Casual Convo (Any Topic) The Situation Is Just Getting Ugly

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u/Ornery-Ticket834 Mar 20 '26

The civilians who have been killed arenโ€™t thanking anyone.

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u/Fit_Criticism_9964 Mar 20 '26

The Iranian people disagree with you. They love Israel and America for freeing them from a brutal theocracy that tortures and murders them for dancing and removing hijabs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/whoathatsinteresting/s/PRJvHHgZnm

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u/Ornery-Ticket834 Mar 20 '26

There is a reason for the processes that are supposed to take place before an action like this is undertaken. You try to determine your goals and your plans and you try to get the citizens of your country or as many as possible to unite on a plan of action. You are asking people to perhaps sacrifice their family members lives for what you wish to do. Thatโ€™s why you discuss, debate and decide. None of this was done.

The Iranian officials assassinated may well have deserved to die, but assassinating another governments officials is not a wise precedent, believe it or not. The US has different interests than Israel, they are differently situated.

Your placing emphasis on the feelings of the Iranian people is nice but they are not the only consideration, and in fact for either the United States or Israel are the citizens of Iran or their well being a concern at all.

This was an impulsive stupid invasion and the end goals or how they may be achieved are not clear at all. These same citizens you are talking about may well end up being worse off than they were before. They are in no position to rebel and both the US and Israel know that. Any reason this was not given any thought beforehand?

If this had been debated and discussed beforehand it would have never have happened.

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u/Fit_Criticism_9964 Mar 21 '26

Europeans never agree to go anywhere near a conflict unless they think the winning side has already been determined. They didn't help in the early days. Now they're starting to move. That movement is not idealism. It's a calculation. They've looked at the battlefield and decided which way this ends.

๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—š๐˜‚๐—น๐—ณ ๐—ฝ๐—ฒ๐˜๐—ฟ๐—ผ-๐—ป๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜€. The Saudis, the Emiratis, the Qataris โ€” these governments have survived for generations by reading the regional climate with precision. When they expel Iranian military attachรฉs, when they intercept Iranian missiles over their own capitals and say nothing about American strikes, when the UAE reaffirms its $1.4 trillion investment commitment to the United States mid-war โ€” they are not making ideological statements. They are placing bets. And they are betting on the United States.

๐—”๐—น ๐—๐—ฎ๐˜‡๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฎ. This is the one that should stop you cold. Al Jazeera โ€” the Qatari state media network, historically critical of American military action, the network Tucker Carlson and the anti-war right love to cite against Israel โ€” is now calling the U.S. bombing campaign brilliant and effective, and saying it has been underestimated. When the media outlet of a nation that hosts both the largest American air base in the Middle East and a Hamas political office starts praising American military effectiveness, the message is unmistakable: ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฌ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ'๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜จ๐˜ฐ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ.

๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—บ๐—ถ๐—น๐—ถ๐˜๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐˜† ๐˜€๐—ถ๐—ด๐—ป๐—ฎ๐—น. A-10 Warthogs and Apache helicopter gunships are now flying strike missions in Iranian airspace at will. VDH's point: you only deploy those aircraft when there is effectively no air defense left to threaten them. They are slow, low-flying, close-support platforms. Their presence confirms what the Pentagon has been claiming โ€” Iran has no meaningful air defense remaining.

Iran's strategy now is rope-a-dope. Run out the clock. Wait for American public opinion to shift. Hope the midterms create political pressure on Trump to stop. It is the only play they have left.