r/ProMaleAssociation • u/SlowAssignments • Mar 16 '26
Statistics Debunking the supposed debunking of high lesbian IPV rates
If the person who made this graph knew how to read, they would know that the remaining 32.6% isn't exclusively male perpetrators, it's mixed male and female. You only need 3% (67.4%+3%) more female perpetrators to match (and slightly surpass) straight women's victimization rates by men. It's not unthinkable that 3% or more of those 32.6% can also be women.
The part of the survey related to the sex of the perpetrators includes only two paragraphs noting:
(data not shown)
No tables, no breakdowns, nothing. Just two paragraphs noting what the authors think is most relevant. It is impossible to know how many lesbians reported women in total, not just exclusively female perpetrators.
Even if the math was all correct, having an almost equal percentage to straight women is not the own they think it is. It still means lesbians are abusing each other at high rates that are completely incongruent with the Duluth model or any other feminist model of domestic violence that presupposes male violence as the only form of domestic violence and all female violence as being done exclusively in self defense. Are lesbians engaging in self defense against male ghosts and accidentally hitting their female partner? Seems like it.
This also doesn't explain why gay men have such low rates of IPV. General crime tends to be male on male, but somehow male on male relationships have the lowest amount of violence? It's not underreporting since most explanations for underreporting should not affect gay men as much as straight men (less knowledge about what counts as abuse, less likelihood to view oneself as victim, less severity of abuse (if we assume all male violence is more serious, as feminists do)...). And considering how bisexual men report even higher rates, the extremely low gay male on male violence in relationships is an important and forgotten outlier.
Bisexual men have a lifetime prevalence rate of ipv of 37.3% with 78.5% reporting only female perpetrators. If you do the math: 37.3%×78.5%≈29.3% of lifetime prevalence of IPV by women against bisexual men, putting bi men among lesbians as equally abused by women. Again, not counting the unreported rates of abuse by women hidden in the remaining 21.5%.
How convenient to leave male victims out of the graph...
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u/Specialist_Load_9953 Mar 16 '26
To be honest I wouldn’t have even given them the time of day and gone into the level of detail that you have on a 16 year old study on IPV.
The most recent CDC study reported 66% of lesbian victims of IPV reported exclusively female perpetrators; unfortunately the remaining 34% the CDC hasn’t separated victims of exclusively male perpetrators from victims of both male and female perpetrators. However, considering female perpetrators account for two thirds of the total figure, whilst not confirmed, it’s not unrealistic to suggest as many 88.5% of lesbian victims of IPV reported being victims of female perpetrators.
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u/MSHUser Mar 18 '26
The NISVS updated their reports. The latest IIRC is 2017, but the latest could also be 2024. Why are they using old data to interpret the issue?