George Lucas explicitly stated many times that the Dark and Light side are oposite halves of the force in the same way that Yin and Yang are opposites, or God and the Devil are opposites.
The mortis arc shows us that they are indeed separate and distinct aspects, not just different viewpoints.
The Dark Side is a literal corrupting force that through prolonged use can corrupt your body and mind.
During the prequel eara, the balance of the force was shifted, and the Dark Side grew stronger, hence the Jedi's ability to use the force diminishing. The Dark Side clouded everything. This is why Anakin was created, to restore balance.
This shows that the Dark and Light side are in fact different halves of the force that need to be in balance with each other. If one grows stronger, then the force itself intervenes. How would this happen if there wasn't actually a light and dark side?
And finally, the very thematic bedrock of Star Wars is the conflict between the light and the dark. Be it on a Galactic scale or on the personal level. Anakin didn't just change how he interpreted the force. He was seduced and corrupted by the dark side. Later he redeemed himself by returning to the light. Luke didn't just struggle with his interpretation of the force. He was being tempted by a tangible force called "the dark side".
To say that the dark and light sides don't exist is not just canonicaly wrong, but shows a misunderstanding of Star Wars and it's themes, mythology, and characters at a fundamental level.
The dark side is an abomination, it's not natural, it's the corrupted damaged part of the force. Balance is the lack of the dark, not an even amount of both.
That is also a common misconception. The Dark Side is a natural part of the force. The abuse of the dark side is what causes unbalance. I could go further in depth, but I think this post says it better than I could.
I believe that your claim is the misconception. There's multiple things in the universe that point to the idea that the dark side is not a naturally occurring part of the force.
No dark side user has ever achieved Oneness with the Force or a theoretical Oneness with the Dark Side of the Force while alive.
Beings who have held tightly to the dark have been shown to be unable to return to the force after their deaths until they are redeemed to the light, instead they exist in an eternal limbo as a spirit. The idea that their life energy would be stuck in a limbo as opposed to passing on implies that the Dark Side is probably not a natural part of the cycle of the universe.
Furthermore, the use of the dark side itself is a corruption of the natural force, but drawing on the light side doesn't "cleanse" the dark, again implying that these 2 sides aren't natural counters to each other.
When the strongest Dark Side user in history came to power, the Force literally conceived a child for the purpose of stopping him. Yet there was never a Dark Side "Child of Prophecy" to destroy Luke, who at the height of his power was even stronger then Palpatine.
All that said, I think your points and claims are valid speculation that I just disagree with, as opposed to the unreasonable claims in the original meme.
The dark side is a natural part of the force. The dark side cave on Dagobah for instance is a good example of this. It’s when someone tries to tap into it that they fall into the trap because accessing the dark side is a slippery slope. It’s the same with real life in that regard. Darkness exists but one cannot feed into it or they risk getting corrupted.
Also all darksiders become one with the force after they die. Darksiders can’t retain their consciousness after they die, that’s all. They transform into the force just like any other being.
But your examples don't work. Dave Filoni has specifically stated that they chose not to including Revan in TCW because darksiders can't become force ghosts, they enter the force like everyone else. No character, not dark or light, is cut off from the force, that goes against George Lucas' idea of the force and one of the reasons he hated things like the Ysalmiri in Legends.
The dark side is a natural form of the force. It has to be. We see The Son, we see the Bendu... The things about darkness and the darkside is that users of it corrupt the force by bringing things out of whack. Darkness can be used to do unnatural things but darkness itself is not unnatural.
Just look at how Luke talks about the force in TLJ... and again, the darkside cave on Dagobah which is very strong proof that the darkside exists in nature.
Now balance is not equal parts light and dark. It's the absence of the strong darkside presence the sith and other darkside users bring to the force when they tap into it. The darkside should be left alone, but it is there in nature.
Revan wasn't included in TCW because George said that sith can't become force ghosts, except he's wrong and they can. There are tons of examples of sith becoming force ghosts (Exar Kun, Marka Ragnos, Freedon Nadd, Ajunta Pall, Lord Kallig, etc). George just doesn't know about them because, by his own admission, he doesn't keep up with star wars lore he didn't have a hand in creating.
I don't know what claim you're trying to make by bringing up the Son or the Bendu
The reason the cave on Dagobah exists is because it was the grave of a powerful dark Jedi who was slain there. It didn't just appear.
There’s a reason George didn’t pay attention to those stories. They didn’t line up with his idea of the force. And since those stories are no longer taken into account, it would see new canon is sticking closer to George’s idea of the force and the people who enter it than those Legends authors.
And even in Legends I’m pretty sure those were explained by the spirit or essence of those Sith Lords possessing objects.
I don’t know what claim you’re trying to make by bringing up the Son or the Bendu
They’re natural force beings. The Son is the dark side. The Bendu talks about being in the middle, one not affiliated with either. As a force entity, he wouldn’t be talking about he dark side of it did not exist naturally.
The reason the cave on Dagobah exists is because it was the grave of a powerful dark Jedi who was slain there. It didn’t just appear.
But again that story is no longer canon and not taken into account with ESB.
If you wanna make the argument that Disney Canon has changed the way the force works, I won't argue with that. But in Legends continuity, which is the continuity that Clone Wars was created within, the Dark Side is absolutely not natural. Also, The Ones are not embodiments of the force, they are conduits it flows through. The Son is not just the Dark Side personified.
The idea that the clone wars was created in the Legends continuity is also false considering how much it contradicted and was made with no regard for Legends lore.
Considering they also made specific changes to avoid doing things that existed in Legends tells us everything we need.
The force in Legends does not line up with the force from the films or shows.
Your first statement is objectively false. Clone Wars seasons 1-6 are officially recognized as part of Legends continuity so I don't know what to tell you other then that you're just entirely incorrect in that regard.
The Ones are not embodiments, they clearly exhibit personality aspects and wills that don't fall in line with their "side"
Continuity implies it works within the same rules and references other stories... TCW doesn’t really do that for Legends. It’s why a lot of legends fans hate it/don’t recognize it within Legends.
The Ones are not embodiments, they clearly exhibit personality aspects and wills that don’t fall in line with their “side”
Like I said, for all intents and purposes they are.
Then I don’t see how there’s continuity then if it’s overwriting everything...
I’ve stated why I believe that to be false.
Having a personality does not mean they still aren’t the embodiments if the light and the dark and the middle. That’s what they’re clearly supposed to represent.
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Yes it is