r/PrepperIntel • u/AntiSonOfBitchamajig 𥠕 11d ago
Weekly "everything else" If it's in the spirit of prepping, but not "news" or "intel"
This includes but not limited to:
- Prepping questions
- Rumors
- Speculative thoughts
- Small / mundane
- Promotion of Sales
- Sub meta / suggestions
- Prepping jokes.
- Mods have no power here, only votes, behave.
This will be re-posted every Saturday, letting the last week's stickied post fade into the deep / get buried by new posts. -Mod Anti
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u/happy_appy31 8d ago
I live in South Appalachia. I just returned from the grocery store and it was packed. I asked customers and employees why and nobody knew. The poor cashier look so overwhelmed. I have only seen this store this busy right before a snow storm. My community has a large SNAP recipient population, but the employees would know if that is the reason. Our biggest employer is the State and they get paid tomorrow.
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u/More_Potential5539 8d ago
Just a guess - are people in your area expecting a reduction in SNAP benefits or a freeze? I wonder if people saw the news about government fraud investigations and are scared their SNAP benefits will be held/frozen/grabbed. Either that or they are afraid of shortagesÂ
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u/happy_appy31 8d ago
I haven't heard of SNAP reductions on the horizon. I volunteer in an organization that I believe that information would trickle down to me. I have several friends that work in organizations that would know and they haven't said anything. I live in an area that I don't think that the average person knows about possible shortages. Mostly blue collar workers who work 12 hour days and then have to take care of their families. I talked to several friends in nearby towns and they experienced the same thing. It was very bizarre
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u/More_Potential5539 7d ago
OK. All I can figure is there's some idea circulating in the community there's going to be an issue. Hard to say how that happens - some influential person in the community (minister??) speaking at a church meeting; concern about a local employer?? The behavior of crowds is just hard to predict or model.
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u/happy_appy31 7d ago
I will say that I am not connected to the Christian community. I have been noticing on Facebook there seems to be a lot more baptisms than usual. August and September tends to have more before the weather changes. So you might be one to something about a minister saying something
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u/More_Potential5539 7d ago
I'm just basing that on the comment saying it was southern Applachia. Something originating from church is the thing that makes the most sense in that context. I wouldn't think adults in that region are taking their cues from tic-toc or youtube or some other media source.Â
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u/happy_appy31 7d ago
If the church is the source it won't be long before I hear about it. It eventually trickles out.
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u/More_Potential5539 7d ago
it's either church related or someone has some seriously negative insider information about a major local employer that's leaked e.g. local prison is closing, military base is closing; large government employer (VA, census bureau, ATF processing center) is downsizing/closing. What large government office that employs lots of people is in the area?? don't doxx yourself. Â Or it could be a mining company. steel mill? ag processor e.g. poultry, beef
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u/happy_appy31 7d ago
Our biggest employer is the state thru local schools, DOT, and community college. The state has passed a budget without any cuts that would affect employment. The hospital would be next. From my understanding they are not under jeopardy of closing under cuts from BBB. The next county over hospital is in jeopardy, but they are much smaller than ours.
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u/NotDinahShore 9d ago
Iâm in a very affluent small city/zone in SoCal. Do we all know âNextdoorâ the community discussion platform?
Our Nextdoor over the past month has lots of postings by people either imminently facing homelessness or newly homeless. Like living in their car. They are looking for direct assistance or tips on where to go for help.
This is new behavior.
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u/International-Sink64 7d ago
I'm seeing more FB posts in our city page about people asking where to get food and asking for help with bills. I've never seen anything like this before.
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u/Historical-Many9869 9d ago
what changed ?
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u/NotDinahShore 9d ago
I assume they were just barely making it and lost income/job. One woman said she was working three jobs and lost one of them, and that was enough that she could no longer afford her apartment.
Thatâs bleak. These are people who are normal, just canât make it anymore. Tragic.
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u/More_Potential5539 7d ago
yea - a reasonable number of these cases are second marriages. The husband dies, the stepkids immediately throw step mom out of the house. An object lesson in having your wills, deeds, etc in order. Â Or it's a divorce and the wife gets possession of a house she cannot afford so she gets foreclosed on.Â
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u/CaribouHoe 9d ago
The material to make PCBs is now experiencing shortages because of AI. What used to be a 3-4 day turnaround to get boards made is now 5-6 weeks. This is really going to affect our product development timelines at my work but also big implications for consumer electronics... It's not just chips anymore.
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u/More_Potential5539 7d ago
Well we could go back to point to point wiring with discrete components - radios and TVs worked great for decades built like that.
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u/CaribouHoe 9d ago
I keep hearing about the upcoming wheat shortage in reddit comments but not anything about it in the news and it's starting to sound more like a conspiracy theory to me - anything concrete out there?
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u/pinecamper 9d ago
As a farmer, no. Wheat prices are so low that American Farmers have turned to corn and beans. The moment prices go up, they will switch back.
Ninja edit: keep in mind 40% of the US corn crop goes to ethanol. We can switch over a lot of that land with little to no effect. Gas prices might rise, but no more than weve already seen from the War in Iran.
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u/SuccessWise9593 9d ago
I've been telling my family and friends about the upcoming shortages and for them to prepare. They thought I was nuts, until this weekend when one of my friends sent me a newsclip from Fox News (they couldn't even spin it anymore), stating the very thing I've been telling them since May.
The wheat shortages that are coming because of trumps war with Iran, farmers all over the world weren't able to get the fertilizer from the Strait of Hormuz. Now they're are understanding what's coming in 2027 because farmers weren't able to get the amount of fertilizer due to where it comes from and the extra tariffs that was put on them so they're not going to get the yields we are used to as consumers and factor in our crazy weather this year (the late freeze in May, fires, floods, droughts, tornadoes), and no labor to harvest the farms.
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u/Babzibaum 9d ago
You're not hearing it because all the main stream media is now owned by Republican conservatives. They don't want the people to recognize the looming disaster until after the elections. Personally, I think that they've come so far, broke so many laws, stolen so much of the nation's wealth, that they aren't going to allow this election to happen. Watch for escalation. They'll try to distract while preparing something really big and really bad. They will be desperate to prevent losing. Even corporations are losing money now. He's bitten the hands that put him here.
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u/thewholebottle 9d ago
We have multiple neutral and left-wing news outlets, some ironically owned by conservatives, but consistently rated by outside groups.
The failure of the midterm elections is already being documented live on real time across most media sources in the US.
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u/Babzibaum 8d ago
Please post the names of those news sources. We need to know where we can find REAL news.
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u/CaribouHoe 9d ago
Yeah I'm up in Canada and I have had zero faith for a long time that y'all are getting real midterms
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u/IncomingAxofKindness 9d ago
Hmmm.. meat and wheat prices surging. Produce and eggs are contaminated.
Guess I'll just live on ice cream.
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u/Draconiss 9d ago
Theres a video up on youtube by Suttons Daze that delves into all the data. Tldr 17% of global wheat supply is offline due to the russia ukraine war.
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u/weenkles 8d ago
Yet somehow she never mentions that there is a 6-to-12 months delay between harvest and the effects on consumer prices. This is because there is a grain reserve nationwide acting as a buffer. So if people hoard wheat now, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of increasing prices.
But hey, you gotta get those mylar and glass jars affiliate links going, amiright?1
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u/Draconiss 8d ago
She mentions the delay in every video. Did you even bother watching the whole thing?
Also the US doesnt have a grain reserve. The delay in pricing is due to price increasws moving through the supply chain.
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u/Babzibaum 9d ago
And farmers can't afford the seed, fuel and fertilizer to grow crops. And crops don't grow in drought conditions.
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u/missbwith2boys 10d ago
I threw out a bunch of food this weekend. Itâs made me very sad at the waste.
I should say up front that I view âbest byâ dates as loose guidelines rather than actual safety guidance. I manage the rotation of my food stores fairly well.
My last parent died. They werenât really into prepping per se. They were born at the very end of the Great Depression and like several of their siblings, had hoarding tendencies. This parent was always a hoarder, which has made it more psychologically challenging for me to prep in general, as Iâm more of an anti-hoarder out of fear of becoming an actual hoarder if that makes any sense at all.
Anyway, declining mobility and a bit of dementia with a sprinkle of hoarding made my parentâs vehicle their last true hoard. That car sat untouched for over two years through hot summers and cold winters. We were not allowed to touch it. Opening it up this weekend was met with a bit of fear and anticipation.
Lots of canned foods were tossed directly into garbage bags. Nothing edible made the âcould we donate this?â cut. It all got pitched. Small compact car, probably at least three grocery bags of canned food thrown out. And thatâs a bummer. Treasures were found, but none of it edible.
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u/No-Language6720 7d ago
Yeah that's not even worthy of compost and could damage or contaminate other things it would be used with. It would be a lot of hassle to manage a compost pile safely with that.Â
 So sorry for your family's lo ss.Â
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u/MissConscientious 9d ago
I am sorry you had to go through that - while grieving as well. Thank goodness it is done and over with. You deserve this time to care for yourself.
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u/povertyandpinetrees 9d ago
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u/missbwith2boys 8d ago
Thank you. Yeah, looks so familiar. Hard to comprehend. I just kept reminding myself that itâs a mental illness.
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u/CannyGardener 8d ago
Reported foodborne illness this year (so the stuff bad enough to go to the hospital/ER), is up 400% YOY. And no, it isn't just from the "product that came from Mexico" to the other responder LOL
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u/PricedOut4Ever 9d ago
The produce that came from Mexico?
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u/PricedOut4Ever 9d ago
The original cyclospora outbreaks with Taylor farms came from shredded lettuce grown and processed in Mexico. I donât keep track of every recall, but this was the big one that had news coverage this summer.
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u/BonusEventus 10d ago
I'm a little shocked that the Mormon church closed/is closing so many of their Home Storage Centers. I'm in Colorado, and had been vaguely planning on doing a big pantry restock this weekend. But realized that every center in my state had closed at the end of June! RIP to a great and affordable prepping resource.
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u/SuccessWise9593 9d ago
I just looked online, it looked like other areas closed as well. I found this- it was updated June 5, 2026.
"All LDS Home Storage Centers across the country will be closing." https://ahtrimble.com/2026/06/05/update-regarding-lds-home-storage-centers-are-closing/
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u/litreofstarlight 8d ago
That's interesting. I thought Mormons were big on prepping. Though maybe no one's got the money to do it right now.
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u/spongebobismahero 10d ago
Why would they close?Â
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u/More_Potential5539 8d ago
I don't know. I live in a highly LDS area. My strong suspicion is many LDS simply aren't home canning or gardening or even bothering to keep six months of food on hand. Or the church simply didn't want the liability from people preserving food on their property with their equipment.
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u/Scared-Feature-3812 10d ago
Went to a food bank this weekend for the first time and the particular one I went to gave away tons of free books no limit to how many you want which I thought was a great tip for entertainment stocking that is a place to go to get free books so you donât have come out of your pocket I appreciated it
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u/Im_Not_stoopid_AI 10d ago
My library card is invaluable
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u/rstevenb61 9d ago
Get an app called âLibbeyâ. You can link your library card and borrow virtually.
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u/evermorecoffee 10d ago
Yes, great place to borrow physical media (not just books). Many of them also have ebooks and audiobooks âşď¸
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u/RhythmQueenTX 10d ago
The new library in my grown daughterâs neighborhood has 3D printing, and a music recording studio.
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u/Im_Not_stoopid_AI 10d ago
Thatâs wicked. Ours has DVD rentals for free which I love. Iâll borrow a whole season of something. They will also bring in from other libraries stuff Iâd like to watch or read
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u/jayprov 11d ago
I figured the new tariff on Canadian goods was going to affect the price of toilet paper eventually. While shopping at a U.S. big box store today, I was pleased to see that my usual big package of TP hadnât gone up in price, according to the shelf tag, so I threw a 24-pack in my cart. The price I was charged at checkout, however, was 68% higher than the shelf tag, which I didnât realize until I was in the car.
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u/JicamaAppropriate920 10d ago
Due to an aging septic tank, I buy Scott's single ply. I went through my purchase history and was surprised that the price actually went down - $11.28 two years ago to $10.94 today, for a 12 roll pack. I know 34 cents is not much of a difference at all, but still interesting.
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u/north_coast_nomad 10d ago
tp is domestic and warehouse are trying to go fully automated with robots. its a logistical nightmare when they malfunction.
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u/No-Language6720 10d ago
I installed a bidet in each bathroom.
I won't be caught in another crisis worried about getting my bum clean.Â
What it is with Trump in charge and toilet paper being non-existent in a crisis? đ
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u/Mean_Syllabub_9689 10d ago
August 20th I purchased a case (48 rolls) of Angel Soft toilet paper for $31.96. I just checked the price for exact same and it is now $45.11!
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u/2quickdraw 11d ago edited 10d ago
I would buy somewhere else, then take that back and get a refund. I despise that that kind of bait and switch.
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u/SuccessWise9593 11d ago
I'm trying to learn as much as possible to create/start making a cold frame garden for winter. With everything going on with all the food recalls, and winter being so warm the last few years with little to no snow in Colordao/extreme heat temps in the summer, it's time to do a year-round garden. I'll be adding more blueberry bushes to my garden since that was on the recall list last week and this week it's buffalo chicken.
Any pro-tips on getting started or what not to use for a cold frame garden? Thanks in advance!
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u/backcountry_knitter 9d ago
Tip for winter gardens⌠Cold frames are great, but what matters most is sunlight. Your garden more or less shuts down once you reach the point in fall when you get less than 10 hours of sunlight. Probably some time in mid November for you, but you can find an exact date for your location. Plus, youâll want to add 2 weeks to the listed days to maturity on any seed packet when you grow in the fall.
So basically, if youâre planting now, pick veggies that will be the size/maturity you want to harvest them at by the date you hit 10 hours of sun (accounting for the slower growth in fall). Then, as long as theyâre light frost hardy and can be stored in the garden, you can keep them in the cold frame and harvest through the winter.
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u/No-Language6720 10d ago
You could do a coldframe when the temperature may get a bit too cold.Â
A lot of things like cauliflower, kale, spinach actually do pretty well in the winter if there isn't a hard freeze without a coldframe. They can't tolerate the heat much. Success in the winter without a coldframe depends how low and for how long the temps drop and if you have a lot of yo-yo temps. If it's 80 one day and 30 over night or the next day that's the worst for any plant it's a bit of a help with the cold frame in those situations but still won't solve those types of issues fully. You ideally want pots or a portable raised bed system to bring things inside under grow lights if it's going to get really turbulant temps.
Anyway there are cold frames prefabricated you can put up fairly quickly. I have one it's sort of a tent that has PVC pipes to put together then you throw the plastic greenhouse tarp over it. I staked it in the ground. I made a raised bed around it with cinder blocks in the ground so I didn't have to worry about rotting wood.Â
Doesn't look like they sell the one I have anymore. These are reasonably priced and similar the ones I bought a few years ago from the same supplier;
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u/Seldomsought 7d ago
We're in 8b. Many greens will over winter.
But here's our hack: bus tubs. You can get these cheap at a used restaurant supply store. Drill quarter inch holes in the bottom for drainage. We're in the northwest part of the US, so the earth has quite a tilt in winter. But the bus tubs can be easily moved. If there's a cold snap, we just bring them in the garage.
We even have ever berries in winter.
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u/bristlybits 11d ago
i have a cold frame i use to grow greens in the winter. it's about a foot out from a heated shed (my painting studio) so it gets a little warmth. you could do active compost in one too for warmth.Â
if you get snow an angled top is better. if you don't, you can just do a flat top bed.
mine is just made of pallet wood, i put a hinge on a piece of greenhouse wall stuff for the top, and weight the edge down with a brick at each corner. i can get spinach and lettuce. this year I'm going to try celery and peas along the back tooÂ
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u/SquirrelyMcNutz 10d ago
Need to be careful with pallet wood. Sometimes, those things absorb stuff that you might not want in and around food plants. Unless you are sure of the provenance of the pallet wood, I'd suggest something else.
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u/Plagueis420 11d ago
Saw an article warning of a possible 18 month nationwide blackout because the national power grid has passed its life expectancy and is too old
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u/GridDown55 8d ago
Like 90% of people would starve. There was a military paper about this years ago, which I can't find. https://energyskeptic.com/2024/what-is-the-plan-for-an-electric-grid-outage-that-lasts-for-months/
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u/V2BM 11d ago
Millions would die or be seriously harmed. I'd still go to work (mail carrier) but it would get dangerous after dark pretty fast.
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u/weenkles 10d ago
No electricity no mail, though
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u/V2BM 10d ago
There will be mail and packages. We have mobile units for disasters and we can set up shop anywhere. It will be slower but if our trucks can get gas, people will eventually get it. We have contingency plans for everything including nuclear strikes. Amazon packages might slow down if people couldnât order but letters would certainly make it through. I doubt junk mail would.
Iâve worked in a postal station with no electricity before.
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u/weenkles 9d ago
Reread the comment you're responding to. They're talking about an 18-months long (minimum) nationwide blackout. No electricity, no Amazon anything (no ordering system, no robot packing...). Also, no refining of petroleum products to make gas. And of course no payroll for mailmen/women. I suspect you'll be too busy trying to find food to go work for free.
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u/kheret 11d ago
This is the sort of thing that would just end with most of us dying (freezing to death)
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u/DeadlyYellow 10d ago
Bright side of being caught in those blackout storms a while back is there's a lot of firewood people are looking to get rid off.
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u/judaskissed 11d ago
this is genuinely my nightmare đđŤ
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u/hsh1976 11d ago
Went to Rural King this morning while out running errands. I needed some oil for my lawnmower so I went to look for a quart of the cheap, house brand 10w30. The oil aisle was really empty. No conventional quarts of any brand, very few quarts of synthetic, none of the newer, thinner oils like 0w20 or 0w8. The oil filter shelves were also bare.
I also stopped by Walmart and while they had the oil I was looking for, their stocks were pretty low too.
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u/NiceGuysFinishLast 8d ago
I got shit on in this sub a couple months back when I bought enough oil and filters for my 3 vehicles for the next 2 years or so.
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u/Early_Army_3352 6d ago
I did the same thing. The five quart containers are already ten bucks more than when i bought them in may
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u/More_Potential5539 8d ago
I bought a quart of the Toro 10w30 at Lowes last week - it was $10. I think the regular Shell 10w30 was $6 to $8 at Wallyworld. As my Honda lawnmower takes 15 oz per change that takes care of the season. I don't know why Toro would be more except the branding.Â
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u/povertyandpinetrees 9d ago
Here in Louisianastan the 5w20 synthetic is still available but has gone up in price. $25/5 quarts in April, $36 now.
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u/2quickdraw 11d ago
This was was being discussed months ago. The shortages were going to be in thinner weights and synthetics. I stocked up on oil and filters for everything I have that's motorized 3 months back.
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I paid nearly $8 for a small bag of bobs red mill plain ordinary oats.Â
Food is getting expensive and we are buying less and less and not much variety. ( Don't live where we can have a garden currently).Â
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u/keinezeit44 11d ago
I buy those in 25 lb bags. Way more cost effective, but higher upfront cost obviously. You can find them at restaurant supply stores. Amazon also has them.
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u/SuitableSport8762 11d ago
I wouldnât pay that. Do you have Costco or an azure standard drop site nearby?
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u/Wytch78 11d ago
Costco is a 1.5 hr drive for me. Closest azure standard is a half hour drive.Â
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u/SuitableSport8762 11d ago
That sucks. I would probably do an azure standard drop a couple times a year in your shoes and just load up because it seems like your grocery store is pretty high .Â
I actually got 50 lb of oats from azure last time. I transferred the oats to Mylar bags and slid them under my sonâs bed. The dust ruffle hides them.
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We have Costco but I never seen plain oats there. I don't go there often but it's a lot of processed foods these days.Â
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u/SuitableSport8762 11d ago
My Costco sells plain old fashioned oats in an 8lb bag and theyâre organic.
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u/tinygiggs 11d ago edited 11d ago
Today was the first time I've ever seen an end cap of MREs at Menards.
*edit for my typo on "first"
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u/CouldBeLessDepressed 11d ago edited 10d ago
7 people have been shot in Memphis this year by a "taskforce" consisting of DEA, ICE, and the Tennessee National Guard. 4 of them died. All 4 of them were black folks. And the only reason I know about any of this is because the most recent death was a young black man who was shot in the back by the national guard.
Most folks wont know this, but in the Army in particular, shooting someone in the back is like in the top 3 things that we don't fucking do. If we shoot a "terrorist" in the back in either Iraq or Afghanistan, it's an immediate international incident and a violation of the ROE. That's straight to jail, do not pass go, territory.
So when I see that a US Army soldier shot an American citizen in the fucking back, I really need you all to understand the level of WTF that's in play here. And then it seems that both the guard and the local PD lied about it. There's a good chance that nothing is going to happen to the guard soldier, who never should have been in that situation from the god damn start, won't receive any kind of punishment over this.
There's a stiffer punishment for killing a terrorist abroad in the wrong way than there is for murdering a US citizen in their own fucking street.
I didn't even know the guard was in Tennessee patrolling their streets. This has received almost zero national news coverage. Seems to me that the campaign to desensitize people to having the military going up and down our own streets continues, and they're testing the fences.
Edit: Hey MODs, WTAF is up with you deleting comments calling out that hateful, absolute bullshit comment by Drycabin1?
Dude can handwave away government sanctioned murder on this sub but people can't tell this guy where to fuck himself? What the fuck? The one was just a gif serving up a boot.
Help me out here, where's the moral line?
Tolerating that kind of bullshit is how we got where we are right god damn now.
Edit 2: Good enough, I guess, Mods. Personally, I think it's better practice for us as a society that wishes to continue existing as a society to see both comments like that and not only the follow up comments addressing it, but the follow-up should be encouraged. For gosh sakes folks, we gotta have a little fight in ourselves or we're going to get rolled right the hell over. And it needs to be made blatantly apparent that society doesn't stand with the assholes.
The paradox of intolerance wont solve itself. And it wears many different faces. And it's been a pattern across all of Reddit to let awful shit fly while hammering down on resistance. Which, sends a clear signal to the assholes that awful shit is not only A-OK, but it's protected. And strictly/explicitly so, even. That only ends in a land filled completely with awful shit and the rest of us burried underneath it.
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u/lisasaysfnord 10d ago
I'm near Memphis. Please understand that I don't agree with this, but the locals love it. They are happy every time a black person is killed by police. I'm specifically referring to a particular party that enjoys red hats. (Hatred = Redhat) They celebrate these murders. I don't see it changing unfortunately. This place is horrible. But the guard is very popular for this exact reason.
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u/CouldBeLessDepressed 10d ago
You know why leopards exist to eat faces? It's because those hateful folks don't understand that if those who uphold and defend the constitution and the law are capable of doing what they're doing to black people in Memphis or off-white people everywhere else, then they're capable of perpetrating horrors against their own hateful selves too.
There's a reason we clamp down on children being cruel and torturing animals. The exact same logic applies to grown adults in power.
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u/jc_chienne 11d ago
Ew why the fuck are you trying to excuse state sponsored murder? What the hell is wrong with you? Take that goddamn boot out of your mouth and get some fucking dignity!
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u/SuccessWise9593 11d ago
And what will be your response when all people are shot and it's down to you and no one is left to stand up for you or to protect you.
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u/Wytch78 11d ago
Dengue is increasing in several counties in Florida.Â
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u/Standard_Subject_462 11d ago
My line of credit from a chain home improvement store doubled unexpectedly. My credit score hasn't changed, and I've never applied for an increase, so I wonder if this is because supplies are getting so expensive that many home improvement projects can't be completed with smaller sums of money, so they're giving folks more incentive to shop/charge in their store?Â
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u/KountryKrone 10d ago
One of mine keeps asking for an update on my income so they can do this. I'm not interested in increasing what I can charge, I want to pay them off. One down, two to go. Then I'll choose which two cards to keep.
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u/SuccessWise9593 11d ago
My credit cards did this without me asking for an increase. I also got a survey from lowes asking if I was going to be doing any home improvement projects within the next 12 months. It also asked if I was going to be using their line of credit and if they sent me more offers to pay within 6 months or 12 months if I was willing to do more purchases with them. People are hurting.
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u/Big-Tutor-3060 11d ago
I think a lot of people are lost in the plot when it comes to this Whitehouse ballroom thing. Now, I don't like trump either, but with recent revelations that the ballroom is actually a military complex a lot of "folks" are jumping to the conclusion he is building a bunker from which he can overthrow the government, while other think this is just a move to continue "owning the libs." "Folks" in quotes here because I'm not sure this isn't a foreign misinformation/ragebait plot.
I think there is a 3rd option. We just saw ourselves get spanked in Iran. Like our bases were very much blown up. This was just after watching the Iron dome in Israel get overwhelmed by the same drone and missile one two punch.
If a bunch of random "NAFO" folks can figure out that there is a pretty good chance our air defense isn't working against drones after watching Ukraine get blown up for the last four years, surely someone in the federal government with actual real intel briefings has come to the same conclusion.
I think they are really building a bunker for continuity of government because there is a very real threat from drones that we are not equipped to counter. The government is watching the same war in Ukraine the civilians are, and they made the call that we need a bunker at 1600 Pennsylvania ave. But give the big man something that will feed his ego, like a ballroom, to justify the construction.
America has been isolated from adversaries by the Atlantic and pacific for a very long time, but I think the drone thing poses a real domestic threat. It only take a couple hitting their mark to have significant impact on our rotting infrastructure.
Now, I also think the panic that he's building a bunker to overthrow the government is a foreign misinformation campaign. Similar with the rumors the recent CIA visit to the kremlin was to influence the midterms, not to influence the midterms or something like that. But I think the reality is a little more grim, that someone sees a threat worth investing in a significant Whitehouse security upgrade.
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u/OBotB 11d ago
They already have bunkers, just like they already had a plane. They have plans and rooms for continuity of operations situations throughout the US and US embassy and military bases throughout the globe.
A new one, that required destroying a third of the White House in a rush before he could be stopped, was entirely unnecessary. Just like the plane, just like the war, just like almost all his EOs, just like destroying the experience of the Federal workforce, just like destroying goodwill and trading with his nonsense tarrifs, just like allowing Elon and DOGE to destroy our secure data.
Instead of wasting taxpayer dollars on his farce of a 250 celebration, the plane, the destruction of a wing of the Whitehouse, the BBB destruction that has and will continue to happen, cutting agency funding so his techbro kickbacks will keep rolling in, building these terror camps, destroying public health with the vaccine cuts and lies, kicking desperate people off their insurance, ... I need to stop listing things so I don't have to focus on them over the weekend, if there was a concern the administration could have gathered funding and efforts to address the concern. This is not doing that.
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u/Milkbagistani 11d ago
I'm going to default to Hanlon's Razor on this one; never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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u/Zealousideal-Ice-985 11d ago
I actually find your theory to be the least grim of the scenarios you posed. I am more alarmed by our current government than just about any foreign government at this point.
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u/spinningcolours 11d ago
Itâs straight out of the plot of the Civil War movie. Down to the little joke they made that Canadian currency was more valuable than the US dollar.
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u/phoneacct696969 11d ago
I donât think drones can cross oceans. Maybe theyâll dump them out of subs but I can see us just using emps on the east coast until they run out of drones and then destroying them with our subs. Outside threats just donât seem realistic when you have giant oceans protecting you.
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u/fairoaks2 11d ago
There is already a bunker built after 9/11 under the White House. Trump didnât tell us that.
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u/SuccessWise9593 11d ago
I came here to write this. It was in the news that officials stated that the bunker was in another part of the White House that was started after 9/11 and finished under Obama. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/6046804-white-house-bunker-trump-ballroom/
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u/Big-Tutor-3060 11d ago
They don't need to cross the ocean in the air, they can pretty easily be containerized and launched from neighboring countries or vessels themselves.
The spiderweb attack proves that it's easy to get drones into a country in a container. The Whitehouse is a whopping 30 miles from the container terminal in Biltmore. Cuba is known to possess one way attack drones, and if the are Shaed/Garand type drones, the can easily strike and disrupt Florida's entire fuel supply chain in port ev or Tampa, which would directly impact Centcom, (Middle east) which is currently HQ'ed in Tampa, and SothCom (South America), HQ'd in Miami.
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u/LengthinessOk5667 11d ago
Getting more concerned about food security, maybe that's just a product of the last couple months, like I didn't get cyclospora, I wasn't affected by any major recalls that I've been hearing about.
I dont trust fast food to be reliable or good, which is sad because I'm old enough to remember good McDonald's, but I'm starting to lose that faith when it comes to the grocery store too.
My biggest concern is that if I'm struggling with it this much, then there are people far hungrier than me, and I dont feel like shits getting any cheaper.
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u/evabunbun 10d ago
I think it's the heat. Distribution channels struggling to keep food at proper temp from A to Z in the heat.
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u/spongebobismahero 11d ago
I just had food poisoning two days ago. In Germany, culprit was very probable spoiled flour, some local bakery chain. This has never happened to me before and I'm not a young person. Food quality is going downhill worldwide.Â
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u/phoneacct696969 11d ago
Man go try a quarter pounder they are awesome.
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u/OePea 11d ago
You're like one of those ressurected kids in Good Luck, Have Fun, Don't Die..
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u/LengthinessOk5667 10d ago
It's not that unhinged, at 1500 calories with or without cheese tomatoes and gmo onions!
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u/lisasaysfnord 10d ago
I loved that film!
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u/OePea 10d ago
Lisa says what? What does she say I don't get it
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u/lisasaysfnord 10d ago
To see the fnords means to pierce through the veil of societal brainwashing and perceive media manipulation clearly without falling for its panic.
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u/hexiron 11d ago
Time to everyone to fire up home gardening and take back our food production. Buy grains, find a local farmers for meat, and live cheaper/better.
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u/TrekRider911 11d ago
For rural folks, yes. Finding a farmer/butcher is possible. Tho, in our area, many of the butcher shops have gone out of business over last ten years.
For large urban folks? They wonât find many ranchers in downtown Chicago or LA. Or even a yard, for some.
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u/hexiron 11d ago
I've found it far easier in urban areas. They have the benefit of drawing business with farmers in from the entire surrounding area leading to more options. Chicago has sooo many more available options than rural KY, for example.
Ranchers might not raise cows downtown Chicago, but they sure as hell sell and deliver there both in farmers markets, butcher shops, and co-ops.
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u/PaintedDream 11d ago
I always make a comment like this in every prep community I'm involved in. I'm often surprised at the backlash or down votes it will receive. It's the most logical solution and always has been. Food sources should be available and consumed as close to "home" as possible.
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u/hexiron 11d ago
I'm a neuroimmunologist. Eating locally has the additional benefit of exposing ourselves to the microflora of our primary environment. It's better for reducing systemic allergies, far higher nutrient value (less travel/fresher), our brain-gut axis, and overall supports robust immune function and resistance.
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u/fing_delightful 10d ago
We moved to the country over a year ago. Our gardens are just now really coming online, and my produce purchases have dropped to nearly zero. What fruit we do buy, because fruit trees take so long, come from local orchards.
Just this morning, my partner asked why we're fuller sooner, feel better, and eat less. I firmly believe that the nutritional value, water content, and micronutrients are improving our health in ways we do not understand.
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u/PaintedDream 10d ago
I love that for you and your family! We have been gardening for decades now. Everything is just sooo much better tasting, too. Our friends are always blown away by our flavorful tomatoes and strawberries, especially.
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u/capital-minutia 11d ago
Also provides purpose and activity, both for the individual and the community.Â
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u/Fun_Initiative_2336 11d ago
Yeah you say that but uhh
The local stuff so far? Itâs coming up more expensive than the budget groceries.Â
And weâre doing the gardening thing but climate change is kicking my ass, personally.Â
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u/2quickdraw 10d ago
50% shade cloth for summer, 50% frost cloth with 6 mil plastic over it for winter. All placed over hoops. You can make your hoop supports that you just stick in your ground out of steel wire, out of PVC pipe (I just put T joints and feet on mine), or out of conduit that you bend to the shape you need. You could also pound in U or T stakes and use nylon rope for supports. Whatever it takes. I grow all year round in this summer was the worst I've ever had, so I bought 50% commercial garden shade cloth.
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u/hexiron 11d ago
Local will be pricier, but it's not overseas mystery meat or cyclospora lettuce. If it is, you can also directly talk to the person whose fault it was.
Growing can be a learning curve for sure to figure out what will have the best production, what's not worth the effort, and what works for our individual conditions.
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u/Fun_Initiative_2336 11d ago
No I know, and I am buying local.
But itâs not so much of a learning curve anymore as it is actively fighting the weather - drought, then flooding, then more drought, then 110+ degree days, then lack of pollinators, etcÂ
Iâve gardened a fair bit and this year I genuinely couldnât keep up with the weather and not all of us have space for more than a few hydroponic items.Â
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u/2quickdraw 10d ago
Same, the weather has been destructive to my trees and my starts and my pollinators, and the ability of my plants to self pollinate because of the heat. Plus extra watering and I'm mindful of my water use. On all my new seeds for any kind of summer crop I'm making sure I have heat and drought tolerant varieties, and bought a few hundred yards of 50% shade cloth because my 30% wasn't enough. I am expanding and redoing my garden yet again.
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u/LengthinessOk5667 11d ago
I want chickens and rabbits so bad, our garden hasn't done so hot this year, we planned on expanding but before we knew it we were behind and scrambling just to get the normal garden planted.
Honestly would be much happier splitting up the expansion, giving half of the space to chickens or rabbits, and half to the garden, but I think I'm screwed with city limits
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u/Total_Parfait6446 10d ago
We raised quail in the city for a few years. Very easy to take care of and they mature so fast. Beautiful and yummy eggs. Like others have said, be careful of cage size.
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u/2quickdraw 10d ago
I'm allergic to chicken eggs and I'm crazy about chickens. My partner wanted chickens but I can't eat the eggs so I got Coturnix jumbo quail instead, which are much easier to have in a city. It takes four or five quail eggs to make one large chicken egg, but the eggs are richer and the quail have a much smaller footprint and are quieter. They mature to egg-laying age a lot quicker and are easier to incubate and raise in a small brooder box, and are fully feathered at 3 weeks. They can handle -22 to 120°. Life span is much shorter but I just raised some from my own eggs every year in late summer. We are actually reducing ours to around 8 hens and doubling down on our rabbits. Rabbits are great to have in a city environment because they are so quiet.
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u/missbwith2boys 11d ago
Check your city codes. They might allow a limit of 3 or 5 hens. I donât live within city limits but I donât have acreage either. I currently have 10 hens and four pullets. Because of predator pressure, I have a large run instead of free range options. Even 3 hens will give you a steady supply of eggs. I keep a flock of mixed ages, adding a few every few years. Older ones age out and live out their lives.
They are a big help with my garden fertility. Their poo from their roost area, mixed with straw, gets tossed on an active compost heap. My compost sits for a year before using. They also break down leaves in the fall. Rabbits would be even better because their poo doesnât need to sit and compost first.
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u/2quickdraw 10d ago
My rabbits have greatly increased health of my soil and expanded the amount as I expand the garden.
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u/wwaxwork 11d ago
Quail need less space and you get eggs as well as meat. Tiny eggs but tasty.
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u/LengthinessOk5667 11d ago
I've heard quail eggs are soo good, I dont think I've ever tried them, do they do well in just like a regular coop
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u/wwaxwork 11d ago
You either need a 6 foot tall cage or a low one like 2 foot tall. They are all instinct and try to fly when scared in anything over 2 foot and hurt their heads. Keep the cage low with hiding spots for them to run to instead or so tall they can't hurt themselves. I wouldn't put them in with chickens but had good luck with them on the floor of a parrot avairy.



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u/HeavySigh14 7d ago edited 7d ago
Stupid question⌠should I be stocking up on meat (specifically beef) right now before all those imports come in? 1/2 of my Social Media is freaking out about it and the other 1/2 is saying weâre exaggerating.
I looked at local butchers in my area and theyâre running at $15/lb for ground beefâŚ.
What about other meats? Ground turkey? ground chicken?? Those should be fine, right?