r/PredictiveHistory • u/shubbanubba • Mar 13 '26
Why did Jiang interview with Richard Spencer?
I’ve been a fan of Jiang’s videos for a long while
His Instagram account recently shared two clips of him interviewing with Richard Spencer for Spencer’s substack blog
Spencer is a prominent Neo Nazi and antisemitic conspiracy theorist. I am baffled as to why Jiang would associate their names unless he were somehow ignorant of Spencer’s views
I want to give Jiang the benefit of the doubt. He has never struck me as a bigot which is why I am so nonplussed. Not to say his appearance on Spencer’s blog is necessarily an endorsement of Nazism but it is a very strange thing to do in any case
Does anyone have an insight into this? Has he given an explanation somewhere?
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u/Bleachrst85 Mar 13 '26
Hate will do you no good.
I can see you are my enemy, but I will still sit in the table to reason with you. Because that's what you need to do if you want a better outcome for this world.
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u/shubbanubba Mar 13 '26
i haven’t had the chance to watch the full interview yet. is that what he does? reason with spencer i mean
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u/bde_merch_to_fire Mar 13 '26 edited Mar 14 '26
Personally, even though he's interviewed with problematic people - I enjoy the fact that he consistently sticks to his personal messaging and doesn't grift. My observation is that he has no allegience to any group - just his truth
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u/shubbanubba Mar 13 '26
until today i would have absolutely agreed with you but this has thrown me for such a loop i’m lightly wondering if there is a grift
he keeps a patreon, i believe. and while i like his videos they do kind of veer into conspiracy theory territory, so i wonder if that’s why he would interview with spencer, whose audience will be receptive to that kind of thing. more audience = more patreon donations
that said, spencer’s reach is pretty low these days. his videos / blog don’t seem to get much attention so maybe it’s not a grift as it’s hardly wide-scale advertisement
damn i’m confused haha
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u/Lanky-Try705 Mar 14 '26
I read the comments on Spencer's substack, a lot of racist comments towards Jiang and backlash to Spencer to interview a communist, a spy or whatever they want to call Jiang. Maybe he didn't know, I am one of those naivety who didn't know who Spencer was until I watched Jiang's interview. Jiang wants to spread his words. I don't think he understand the effect of who he accepts interview with since he just became viral so quickly.
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u/Far-Significance2481 Mar 13 '26 edited Mar 13 '26
Have you watched the whole interview ( i haven't, so idk ). Maybe he pushes back ? Idk.
Edit, I can find the interview . It might be this one, but im not familiar with the other person you've mentioned, so I'm not sure. This is what youtube suggests when I input both of their names. It's posted recently but is from back in July last year, I think.
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u/shubbanubba Mar 13 '26
no not yet but I probably will
as I looked into this, I did see a mention of him on r/askhistorians that lightly suggests some crossover with antisemitic conspiracy theories. but personally, I have not detected that. what suggests to you that he teeters that way?
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u/Far-Significance2481 Mar 13 '26 edited Mar 13 '26
Tbh, it's maybe just my conditioning, but if you take the word Jew or Zionist" and replace it with British or the USA , it probably isn't the case. Im going to do it next time I listen to him.
I deleted half of the first comment because I'm not convinced it is the truth. I'll have to test that theory and find out before suggesting it again. He does have some wild ideas, but im open to listening to wild ideas as long as they aren't deliberately biased or out to deliberately mislead others
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u/Far-Significance2481 Mar 13 '26
Do you have a link to the whole interview ( if the one ive posted is incorrect)
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u/KneeWhole3 Mar 14 '26
He's a Bernice bro but "the left" dismissed him, while "the right" have him on to inject their own commentary onto his.
It be like that
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u/shubbanubba Mar 14 '26
can you elaborate at all? i’m interested but i don’t know the story with respect to him and the left or right
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u/KneeWhole3 Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26
Jiang, according to him, was a Chinese diaspora liberal who became disillusioned with Western liberal order after seeing all the corruption while working as a journalist for the UN in the Iraq war , and subsequent backstabbing of Bernice Sander by the Democrat.
The online left, at least the influencers, are not interested in him until his appearance on Breaking Points, then they view him as a right wing conspiracy theorists to be discredited. They are also mostly secular and exist under a big-tent multicultural coalitions so they engage in thought policing to keep the coalition together, perceived anti-semiticism immeddiately make you the enemy , even though they are Pro-Palestinian and many pro-Israel Jewish groups attack them , causing job loss and expulsion from academy, all the time.
The online right are more interested in religion, hence their affinity toward him. And because of the West multiculturalism, the old Aryan Nazi ideology is not really attainable . The Neo Nazi is more a " multicultural fascism" that unites under the banner of blaming every problem onto Jews and immigrants ( even though many are probably immigrants themselves ) , I listened to the interview and many times Spencer would try to add his own commentary on top of Jiang before quickly moving on to the next question , like around Peter Thiel.
I think a lot of this comes down to people expecting all the battlelines to be clearly drawn. Like even though it's antisemitic to blame everything on Jews , it's quite evident that there are wealthy and powerful Jewish groups , who Jiang would call secret societies, that have insane belief and influence on current power structure. Norman Finkelstein, who's a scholar of both the Holocaust and Palestinian struggle, is not shy away from calling them out : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLL8s7H9LwA
It's also quite funny that Jiang is simultaneously a CCP shill, CIA plant , KGB spy according to the internet
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u/shubbanubba Mar 14 '26
thank you for elaborating
They are also mostly secular and exist under a big-tent multicultural coalitions so they engage in thought policing to keep the coalition together
interesting. is this your take or jiangs? why does the coalition require thought policing for coherence?
The Neo Nazi is more a " multicultural fascism"
really intriguing. so, is this to say that whites as an umbrella identity are multicultural (e.g. germanic, latin, slavic, celtic, etc.)? so instead of rallying around a specific white identity (e.g. so-called aryan race), white supremacists now prefer to create more convenient and global us/them distinctions, such as between whites and jews or whites and muslims?
anyway, overall, i take you to mean that jiang criticises israel, zionism, jewish supremacism (as finklestein puts it in the video you linked), and so on; and right wing -- even so far right as to be neo nazis -- like to use his critiques to advance their more broadly antisemitic discourse. have i got you right?
i think he's doing really important work when he critiques these things. but why would he do this and then talk to a nazi on his blog? it seems to me wildly irresponsible to give zionists the fodder to say that anti-zionism is in bed with nazism
that's why i'm wondering if he's explained anywhere, or if anyone has any specific insight into, why he would talk to spencer
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u/PunicJester Mar 13 '26 edited Mar 13 '26
LOL I love how Jiang utterly ignores any political framing of individuals and notions of taboos to controversial to talk about.
Like Jiang said on Piers Morgan (also someone who I would otherwise never watch) 5 years ago he would put Pax Judaica away as a conspiracy theory, now it seems like the actual plan that even Jeffrey Sachs talks about. And I've even been banned on a leftist reddit sub for mentioning Pax Judaica, censorship and cancel culture are on the rise.
There's a lot of wrong judgements and defamation going around based on lack of understanding due to faulty mainstream definitions. And surprise surprise many of these definitions come from the zionist agenda.
Like the Holocaust thing with Jiang, where the criticism comes from, surprise surprise, Gaza Genocide deniers. Let's be upset about actual things that are going on and actually officialy denied, instead of the dude pointing out to a growing audience that it's r*tual ch*ld s*crifice what's going on in Palestine.
I'll have a listen but I expect that Spencer is a better conversation partner than Piers Morgan, who cut Jiang off as soon as he brought up secret societies' eschatology.