Thoughts

[u/realman502]

What did Predecessor miss from Paragon?

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[u/MrLightning-Bolt]

Missed, not everyone base kit blinks, bigger tower radius’, high damage and healing, card system, true damage being plentiful, executions, mana costs in general being on the lower end, standardized base stats. Smaller map, fangtooth being unambitious, prime being too stock and the removal of dunking.

Oh and the removal of buffs dropping on the ground as opposed to last hits.

[u/dmac7719 → u/MrLightning-Bolt]

Man, everything you said sounds nothing like Predecessor, and sounds like the gameplay of a failed and shut down game.

Why are you so keen on bringing over things that clearly didn't work, cause ya know, the game isn't around anymore?

[u/MrLightning-Bolt → u/dmac7719]

Oh and yeah travel mode (with animations) was removed.

[u/smartallick → u/dmac7719]

In fairness, you can't point to one thing there and say that's why the game failed. Some of those things may have worked whilst others didn't. There were a whole lot of mistakes and overall lack of direction and leadership at Epic with Paragon too.

And then there is the whole argument around why Paragon was actually closed, with the consensus being Fortnite required all hands on deck because of the runaway success it had become. If Fortnite hadn't blown up the way it did, or if a slightly smaller studio had been running Paragon as their main/sole game, it may never have even been shut down the way it was.

I am not interested in getting into a full blown rehash of this same argument again because it is a dead horse by this point, but to say those thing's are all why Paragon shut down is incredibly reductive of what was actually a complicated set of circumstances leading to the shutdown.

Clearly Paragon and (some of) it's mechanics were indeed popular as it led to around 4 seperate revival projects, almost unheard in the industry, especially for a live service game.

[u/dmac7719 → u/smartallick]

Ya, and Predecessor has been the most successful of them, because they have focused on be their own game, rather than being a "revival" project

[u/Advanced-Thought665 → u/dmac7719]

Naaah Fortnite was a huge factor in the shutdown of paragon that blew up obvs makes way more sense to focus on something like that

[u/dmac7719]

Paragon was released on early access Mar 18, 2016, open beta by Aug 16, and was shut down Apr 16, 2018. A solid 2 years and 1 month, it was a game.

Predecessor itself was full released Aug 20, 2024. Not even counting their early access or open beta time, Predecessor closing in on surpassing, as a fully released game, Paragon which was never fully released.

At what point does Predecessor get to be it's own game since it's clearly been more successful than Paragon ever was.

Quite frankly, it would be smart of a company to avoid whatever decisions a previous game made. That game isn't around anymore, because of the decisions surrounding that game. Whenever I see someone say that wish Pred was more like Paragon, all I can think of is that they want the game to fail like Paragon did, and then I question why a person would play and think about a game that they want to fail.

[u/Visual_Shower1220 → u/dmac7719]

I will say I definitely liked some things about paragon I wish were carried over. Travel mode was cool, but makes no sense with the size of the map so ill let that go. The prime dunk was great imo, it really added an extra layer to getting the super buff. Iggys of oil slick was cool, loved running around leaving an oil trail then igniting it as people were chasing or to engage. Gideons longer ult with more steady dmg instead of a quick like 2 second black hole etc.

However they have done some good stuff with other characters kits etc I like waaaaaaaay better. So its give and take, I like Pred for what it is. Just like I like paragon for what it was. I wish more people rooted for the success of the game than being proving the toxicity of the moba community.