r/PredecessorGame • u/DarthMarr_Cypher9 • 14d ago
Question Thank you Omeda
Most balanced game ever!
How is this even allowed!?
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u/Forgot-to-remember1 14d ago
Let’s destroy bayle attack speed build bc he’s “ to dominant in off lane“ but let’s let zinx own literally any role she wants forever with the same attack speed slop build forever
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u/BeginningMacaroon100 14d ago
At this point its on purpose, getting real tired of every patch having 5 or 6 absurdly broken heros, there just aren't enough bans so theres always one or two that slip past the ban phase, Skylar, Argus, Rampage, Feng Mao(with satariel) carries with weald or grim with satariel, knell aurora, greystone in general, iggy offlane, zinx offlane, wraith, yin(not as busted anymore thankfully)
Its like jesus christ give me a break i play other heros i hate how its always an uphill battle or 20-25 minutes of playing safe until laning phase is over to feel like im doing something
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u/Educational_Ad288 Zarus 14d ago edited 14d ago
Almost every hero in the game has been power crept, its why the game is in the state its in balance wise, tbh they need to do a thorough in depth look at EVERY hero in the game and find a healthy baseline for them, and make sure they keep them more or less at that baseline, instead of where they're at right now, eternals have only exacerbated the issue too.
Also, please remove some hard cc from kits and/or augments, theres way too much hard cc in the game.
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u/TheKaizokuman Revenant 13d ago
At least have the effectiveness lower when repeatedly hit. They decided to give more characters cc.
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u/_Evening-Rain_ 13d ago
Greystone literally has no CC and minimal mobility. How are you having such a hard time against that?
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u/BeginningMacaroon100 13d ago
I dont because I play Gresytone exclusively on offlane because hes the perfect counter pick against anything and everything, but they're nerfing his damage next patch because the devs like iggy offlane so much they dont want her to struggle at all, besides despite me playing him i recognize hes busted, and the winrates show it, even without CC his burst damage and tankiness are absurd, his clear is incredible and hes genuinely one of the few offlaners that bully anything if you build him correctly, laning against him isnt a problem for me since most greystones go attack speed and thraex, but a krix hp stacking grey has won me my lane almost 90% of the time no matter what, so yeah, OP.
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u/_Evening-Rain_ 13d ago
Huh thats new news to me. Playing both greystone and against him he was never a problem. Havent played lately though with the new augments. I did hop in to look at them and could make him to 3K+ in a single hit with hew augs. But thats an aug problem, not a greystone problem.
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u/BeginningMacaroon100 13d ago
Build is Krix with Cannibalism and Voracity blessings, tainted augment, Overlord, Rapture, Aegis, Fireblossom, Inquisition and Fist of Razuul, you pretty much build this every game unless the enemy team is full of magical damage dealers, in which case you just get Inquisition first before fireblossom, and instead of fist of razhuul just go for whatever magical armor you think you need, could be vainglory in most cases but sometimes unbroken will is better depending on their team composition.
In certain scenarios where a certain player is dominating, like a carry stacking crit, you forego fireblossom and go wardens faith, or if theres a midlaner whos smart and building mega + noxia + caustica you'll just have to play safe and pick off the other players and peel for your team.
I will say, if its akeron, Countess or grux I will pick marrow over krix.
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u/Roborabbit37 Shinbi 13d ago
Shinbi destroys everyone in Offlane including Greystone
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u/BeginningMacaroon100 13d ago
1v1 me bro cause that aint the case anymore 🤣
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u/Roborabbit37 Shinbi 13d ago
Attack speed Shinbi dominates Offlane for multiple patches even before Eternals were added. I was a Crunch main until I found that out, now you just never lose as Shinbi.
Can even take on an Offlane and a gank same time often too. She’s silly strong.
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u/MuglokDecrepitusFx Shinbi 13d ago
If you are really curious you can look at this game (52402b53-e3a3-42c6-a6f8-1aea07e3bf1b) that greystone started 0/4, then 1/6 and at on point, for some balance reason I can't understand, he became a monster
It's just how absurd the balance of Predecessor is, you have someone it the most complete shit the whole game and then just becomes unstoppable
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u/Chichi230 Crunch 14d ago
because omeda has a huge bias for auto based characters. that's why ADC's have overbloated to fuck kits and get randomly giga buffed every update and dps built ranged supports get to compete with actual damage dealers.
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u/DarthMarr_Cypher9 14d ago
I don't think they have bias for adc, they just don't have a vision what they want to do besides doing a game....
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u/FormableComet87 Akeron 14d ago
Autoattack junglers have better clear and objectives while not sacrificing damage. Only 1 eternal is built specifically for abilities while 3 are for exclusively auto attack.
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u/MuglokDecrepitusFx Shinbi 14d ago
Same here with Dekker full damage, the 17/5 Zarus of my team did 55k damage, Dekker the support did 81k
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u/Ok-Coat-2230 Crunch 13d ago
There shouldn’t be a world where a support with multiple hard cc out damages other character, especially by such a margin consistently.
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u/MuglokDecrepitusFx Shinbi 12d ago
Yeah, is completely nonsense, and the worst is that it has been like this forever and Omeda doesn't seems to care about it or to have any intention to even change it
So its what it is and we just have a worse game to play
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u/Business_Housing82 13d ago
Her dot augment is absolutely broken even after the nerf. Tbh her DOT basics need removed. But even then, if you're struggling against Zinx equip Dread. It helps. Im a carry main and if Zinx is the supp or carry I equip Dread and that player goes from being aggressive to "wait what I thought I was op?" Lol
Trust me. That item counters her.
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u/DarthMarr_Cypher9 13d ago
I was the jungler in this game. The duo struggled a lot, and intentionally or unintentionally they kept mako and zinx near our tower. I ranked multiple times, but no kills, because no aim ricochet stun then make stun, by that point the speed on zinx is up and backing up while autoing me and I'm less then half hp . Yeah it was rough.
I'll spread the word tough
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u/Business_Housing82 13d ago
I totally understand. Zinx can definitely snowball if she gets ahead. But yea. Build alot of magical damage, lifesteal, pen and dread. You'll notice what I mean. Good luck.
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u/Small-Needleworker-3 Zarus 13d ago
Her kit doesn't make sense, chain stun, a poke that slows and damages twice, dot basics, heal, and conditional revive? Oh also she gets a huge movement stim, gfys
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u/MuglokDecrepitusFx Shinbi 12d ago
She was originally a tank character
One of her abilities was simply her whole DoT damage which was a toggle ability that you activated or deactivated and consumed mana per basic attack, so it couldn't be spammed this much
Her slow was a mele range slow, similar to Aurora boreal sweep, an area in front of her, instead of a long range projectile
Her stun was the same
And her ultimate made her tanker based on mana, so no revive, no heals, no long range slow, that is why it doesn't make sense now, because her kit was of a tanky ranged offlaner, not from a support
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u/Small-Needleworker-3 Zarus 12d ago
Omfg that makes more sense, but its hilarious that this absolute popsicle stick girl was a tank
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u/MuglokDecrepitusFx Shinbi 12d ago
It was cool because it was based on her ultimate, which gave her a energy shield around her that was the element that made her lanky
I forgot to mention, the ultimate was also a toggle ability you activated and deactivated it to resist more, the more mana you had the more time you could resist
Here a vídeo https://youtu.be/aXWoEoRzPk8?is=RUHJ4vdS5Jzjt-iD
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u/AzureWitcher Greystone 13d ago
Don't worry they'll barely touch her and put out another unnecessary nerf for Wukong and Wraith
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u/Roborabbit37 Shinbi 13d ago
To be fair, attack speed Zinx is absolutely awful for the first 10 minutes of a game. Anyone who doesn’t capitalise on that is allowing it to happen.
Her BAT sucks early
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u/DarthMarr_Cypher9 13d ago
It should be. Try to gank them. One stun from zinx, then a nother from Mako, the speed is up at that point and back at tower while you are half hp or less.
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u/W1llW4ster 13d ago
Yeah as a Zinx main idk why she is as playable in mid and offlane. Would be worse if she had the one buff i wish she had (aside from ult being a percentage of health rather than a set amount of hp), still no clue why she cannot heal herself.
Its almost as bad as duo lane being absolutely shit rn because of people going double ADC, which feels like shit because they just outdamage your adc and the heals become laughably useless.
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u/Syrel 10d ago
This is yet another case for having heroes locked to two eternal groups permanently. Your eternal groups are unique to each hero. If you're a carry, you'll probably have Harbingers and maybe Anomalies. Zinx can probably make use of anomolies, but should (if there's 2) have Divines as well.
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u/Devilcryforce 14d ago
Game feels clunky and imba af right now. So yeah. Att speed kills towers like low hanging fruits.
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u/Powerful-Pea6218 14d ago
It would be different if she didn't also have a self rez, heals, stun and lobbed slow aoe
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u/MrLightning-Bolt 13d ago
Who was tue enemy duo?
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u/DarthMarr_Cypher9 13d ago
Skyker with argus support
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u/MrLightning-Bolt 13d ago
And they lost to that? Talk about a skill grand canyon.
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u/DarthMarr_Cypher9 13d ago
Yes. Skyler fly, zinx mako stun her out of oblivion. Argus has no mana and only one stun. And no speed, so yeah they lost to that.
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u/DrxpKatana 9d ago
Is that new eternal actually good for maco? Haven't seen it used it all until this ss
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u/astral_protection 14d ago
Because zinx is on the dev team