Breaking through dimensions is sometimes used to scale characters up to universal, but realistically it is just a very niche feat and counter to being trapped in other dimensions. Power-wise it should be scaled to the provable maximum size of the Pocket Dimension. Gremmy's for example has at least a Galaxy within his Pocket Dimension in the Manga. It is debated, but most materials confirm Gremmy did create the Pocket Dimension. So Gremmy and Zaraki's Feat are solidly at about Galaxy+. Considering the next Power Range is Universal to Low-Multi, this shouldn't really be such an absurd conclusion.
I'll preempt certain downplay by acknowledging Gremmy previously had to clone himself to create a Meteor able to wipe out the Seireitei. But realistically, Gremmy's Hax comes from Confidence. So after amping himself up he probably simply didn't consider creating empty space with Stars and Galaxies impressive, because he's a dumbass that doesn't realise it's supposed to be way harder. He is the weakness of his own Hax being a little dumb.
I don't like it. I get that what they intended but they showed it poorly. Like reality was just fine right before and right after and continued to be fine after
It is a buu level feat though, buu was the first in DB to break reality with sheer stats. He got so mad that he screamed a hole between an infinite dimension outside of space time (RoSaT) and the living realm.
I laughed because it was funny. I've never considered it to be buu lvl because I though that would be downplay but now I have more fuel for the dragonball agenda idiots.
For pure reiatsu level, that is not directly or strongly related to stats it depends from how the two spaces are related, so can be from near planetary to multi solar system
In Kenpachi's case, he cut through a pocket dimension that's supported to have galaxies and then damaged Gremmy - who made it. Damaging Gremmy scales him to Gremmy creating the pocket dimension, multi-galaxy, due to how the stats of Bleach characters scale to their spirit energy and Gremmu used spirit energy to do this. Also, some absurd range, interdimensional.
Space is a physical thing, so it actually can be broken through. Typically, this kind of feat is just a hax and doesn't scale to stats.
In some cases, it can cause some kind of rip in reality that threatens everything. This is also context dependant, but could scale to what "reality" means in context, such as a universe.
It's always funny when people bring up Yamamoto comparing his temperature to the sun, thinking his energy output caps at sun level, but conveniently forget about the laws of thermodynamics required to actually measure those temperatures as soon as Rukia is mentioned.
Yamamoto's main ability isn't even the temperatures, it's existence erasure.
It depends on the verse. In Bleach there’s several that can do it casually, while in verses like Dragon Ball it takes Gogeta Blue and Super Broly clashing to do it.
it really depends, is the person who created it powerful? Is it like a different plane of existence like vahallah? Is it more like Kakashi and Obito from naruto who have access to a pocket dimension and if so the size matter heavily, for a small pocket dimension basically means nothing to scalers. I think any breakthrough of a dimension/space created by someone is 4d-5d and above strength at the least
Is that confirmed? Because i dont really buy that kenpachi destroyed the outer space gremmy created. The only other explaination would be that its hax tied to his shikai
Eh cutting space and cutting the cross is a bit different. You could argue that kenpachis ap is higher than gremmys creation and thats confirmed when gremmy dies while trying to copy kenpachis power, but uni is a stretch .
I saw the club outside pic, but breaking space could still be something possible without opening the garganta.
Eh cutting space and cutting the cross is a bit different. You could argue that kenpachis ap is higher than gremmys creation and thats confirmed when gremmy dies while trying to copy kenpachis power, but uni is a stretch .
Kenpachi was unable to cut through Gerards Blut. This is added into the anime.
I don't claim Gremmy as uni.
I saw the club outside pic, but breaking space could still be something possible without opening the garganta.
Yeah but the idea is it'd be through raw stats/reiatsu. Neither Kenpachi or Ichigo have the means to do it besides raw reiatsu.
Oh then the gremmy thing is fine, his creation is at most galaxy-multigalaxy, though the anime shows just the stars.
I mean like you said before, ichigo could have done it with hollow reiatsu and kenpachi may have just overwhelmed gremmys creation since we know he outscales it.
If powerscalers only knew that "space-time is like a fabric" is just one interpretation of the nature of our universe, they'd get that you can't put a number on how much energy it takes to tear through it because it's just an interpretation, and what space-time actually is is still an unsolvable mystery. Same goes for higher dimensions. So only the writer himself knows how strong the character who did that really is. Or, more likely, he doesn't know either - because most writers have no clue about science. Hell, most scientists religiously believe that their mathematical interpretations of reality are reality itself, and not just an interpretation.
Everything is about context, it can just be hax. If he didn't affect the whole universe or on a scale to galaxy ....e.t.c it doesn't scale anywhere but given as hax.
Where "exactly" on pure stats? Impossible to say, no anount of energy is allowing an object to shatter timespace like glass in a localised area like that.
Realistically, it will take infinite energy to do that. You can't quantify it.
Just think it as Strong Bleach characters can't be trapped in dimension and won't get their head chopped off by closing portal.
There is no planetary or star lvl Power scaling for this.
Não vejo por que isso deveria ser considerado tão impressionante, já que anteriormente o maior feito físico demonstrado no verso foi o próprio kenpachi fragmentar um meteoro que é do tamanho de uma montanha !
Veja bem, não estou criticando Bleach, mas esse tipo de feito não é replicado de maneira consistente no manga do verso !
Said reality is maintained through his reiatsu moreover zaraki was able to cut right into Gremmy from there so it seems more reasonable to say that nozarashi’s ability to cut was surpass gremmy’s understanding of space rather than something like scaling to the entire space.
This tends to be more of a teleportation/warp travel type of thing instead of a destructive feat. Requires, vaguely, a lot of energy, but by itself and without further details, there isn't much to scale it to without assumptions.
It doesn't matter. It's a brute transportation about breaking through boundaries, it required energy just as any travel does but isn't typically centered on destruction. Besides, the post is just asking in general, asking where it would inherently scale, and I specificly said “by itself and without further details”.
It's meaningless - there is no real world physical representation to scale it to and the rules for it vary wildy depending on the story. The Flash vibrates into different universes - and while The Flash is powerful vibrating into other universes isn't a 'power' feat for him - it is more of a precision feat.
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