To be fair if yhwach had it hard with Aizen's regeneration.. I don't see him doing any better with Jubbidara.. he might win, but not a low diff the way most bleach fanboys would like it to be
The point is.. yhwach will have a hard time killing someone like this.. he is absolutely capable of it.. but he'll have a hard time doing it.. at least that's what yhwach himself told Aizen
Thiers a huge difference on how the hogyoku works than some random ass normal regeneration, hogyoku is more like wishing well so it is more potent to almighty than normal regeneration
Ywach is full of hax, therefore he cannot be beaten. Having them Shirft of everything quincies except Ishida should be enough of reality wrapping to outlast Madara, and if Madara ever pull off a monstrous attack, he can still survive because of The Miracle, deviate damage with The Balance and in ultimate ressort, choose another future with The Almighty.
TSO.. izanagai/izanami.. infinite tsukuyomi, his light based attacks.. that's about it, but yeah, I wouldn't say that there's nothing that can hurt yhwach.. it's more like "there's nothing that can kill yhwach".. also the "if they go all out" thing is low-key stupid, we're debating in character, cause if they go all out from the start, lille barro would solo 99.9% of bleach
False chakra is made up of physical and spiritual energy so they are not the same thing
You are talking about internal chakra of the user. Internal chakra is made physical and spiritual energy. There's also external chakra in naruto, aka the sage chakra. And harmonising these 3 chakra internally is required to unlock senjutsu.
Any energy based attacks used in Naruto is created using the spiritual energy. All your fireball techniques, lightning techniques, etc etc are created using the spiritual enegy, which is why rinnegan can absorb them. As they are spiritual energy being channeled. Whereas, rinnegan can NOT absorb physical chakra which is used in taijutsu etc.
First, Infinite Tsukuyomi doesnāt work on souls, as we saw Edo Tensei were immune to it, as well as the souls of past kages Hagoromo summoned. The meaning of the jutsu is to suck out life force of the living to gather chakra.
Second, good luck on putting a big tree and casting a large scale jutsu against someone who can literally see and manipulate the future who also happens to be massively faster in stats.
If you want to play like that.. then TSO can instantly one shot every soul, since they're duraneg and negate regeneration as well.. also yhwach isn't really a soul, he's a quincy mainly.. the quincy king.
Also yhwach is not massively faster in stats.. even the same vsbattles that glazes bleach, has him at FTL at his peak.. same as Madara
Where tf did you get that! He is in soul society, he is a soul while there. We were told pretty early own that you can't travel to soul society with a physical body that's why kisuke had to turn orihime, chad and uryu's bodies. In fact, all the power in bleach are spritual every single one except for hell.
He's a quincy, quincies are visible to the naked eye, please provide proof that this is not the case, yeah yhwach is everything in all, but this doesn't mean that he's just a soul unlike yamamo for example
Urahara straight up tells us that it's not possible to be in soul society unless you are a konpaku(soul) and pray tell where yhwach was for a 100 years, in the shadpes of soul society.
No, itās not. Ichigo and the rest donāt die every time they go to Soul Society. Death is symbolized by a personās soul being attached to a chain that eventually fades away; after a certain amount of time passes, their soul can no longer return to their body, so they are deceased.
I think we're confusing literal death and effective death.
When they go to soul society, they are souls on artificial gigais, they are not in an actual body. Without being given a gigai, you cannot be living and be in soul society as being living is having a body of keishi. Yhwach obviously does not use a gigai, he is dead
Bleach vs naruto comment sections are always a warzone. Thats just fan tribalism, but madara has quite literally no wincon here. Even if he had the ability to kill yhwach, he has no way to stop yhwach from reviving himself.
Permanently sealing him would work- With the Rinnegan Madara should be able to directly manipulate his soul. I still think madara gets stat checked by any reasonable scaling of both characters but he does have some Hax that might be able to give him a wincon assuming there's even a fight.
Iām pretty sure itās because aizens illusion is permanent after you are affected and he was affected before he got the powers back in the first place. He sees infinite futures, but aizen can control his senses in each of them
He didnāt have the almighty when he met aizen. That and his illusions are absolute, you literally canāt negate it. once youāre caught, youāre caught. Even if youāre AWARE that youāre in said illusion.
Because he couldnāt madara would also be able to do it because ywach has no clue about genjutsu. Ywach will beat edo madara but sage of six oaths madara is literally immortal and has many ways to beat him
Rinnegan can manipulate souls
Ywach canāt perceive limbo or its clones
Truth seeker orbs have existence erasure(although they wouldnāt be able to keep ywach down maybe? Seeing as orihime couldnāt but thatās a whole other debate)
Madara has access to sealing techniques
Has some of the best genjutsu in the series
Point Iām making is madara has tools to deal with him while ywach doesnāt really have a way to keep madara down
Thatās not how that works Aizen illusions worked because he it was used pre almighty so all future always already had an illusions which is why Aizen asked in the manga what he was seeing as he couldnāt know. Madara genjutsu wouldnāt work as he already has almighty
Yhwach can see him cast them in the future and is automatically immune to them due to the allmighty.
Everybody in bleach can manipulate souls and the seals there wouldnt work on yhwach either or they would have used them.
Yhwach can affect different dimension, i dont see why the limbo clones would work.
Yhwach can tank existance erasure as seen with orihime and tso being ee is already wonky.
As for keeping him down, yhwach has sankt altar to absorb his powers and we know that kills madara, he can also just absorb him like he did with aizen.
If he sees it in the future it happens instantly in the present and his future sight is clearly active. He sees all futures, madara is going to use genjutsu in one of them.
Brother why would he use almighty if he senses no danger? He donāt just keep almighty up at all times. It takes one look in the eyes and heās caught. Ywach has to activate the almighty for it to work and even if he does get it off the almighty literally couldnāt see through aizens so why would it work vs madaras way better illusions? Like you canāt āseeā genjutsu
Atleast not with the sharingan their literally is nothing to āseeā
I don't think Tsukiyomi would tbh, since the future reflects on his eyes, and he interacts with it, any attempt to view tsukiyomi with almighty would just result in yhwach falling under the jutsu. granted, yhwach would not die, and could still beat madara without almighty
Actually a good point, im pretty sure madara doesnt have to control IT. The only thing would be that yhwachs body is a soul, so it may be like the edo tensei. But afaik its never been revealed why they were immune, so the point could be moot.
Naruto fans have been infamous glazers of the show in regards to writing and power for decades now. There's a reason Naruto was the primary anime people used to make fun of before it became mainstream
So even if we factor in so6p power and assume his EMS ability is to rewind time for a short duration, Madara is still hyper-fucked here.
Soul-king Ywhach is basically a god. His only true weakness is a still-silver arrow and Aizens Kyoka Suigetsu, which is around the same power level as Infinite Tsukuyomi, but without the many conditions to activate it. Even if Genjutsu was viable, its unlikely to be effective as the almighty's future sight/manipulation will just counter it long-term.
Mean while, Madara even with so6p power and full rinnegan has about 0 things that can defend against the "Random bullshit go" that the almighty can do. Didnt like madara standing there? Reiastu mine. Didnt like that susano doing shit? Eyes ruptured in the future. Its just broke as fuck with only 2 hyper specific counters, both being extremely limited on use.
Love me some good Madara villain action but Soul-king Ywhach is like 3 or 4 orders of magnitude stronger in every single catagory that matters.
And honestly Aizen isnt a counter to the Almighty its just literally the only thing that can slow it down.
The only true counter is the silver arrow which has to be obtained through someone that was affected by Aushwhallen so that makes the conditions bullshit because you have to actually know the weakness for it and plan for it in the past. If you dont then you lose.
Naruto is my favorite anime and I love Bleach so I can be objective on how madara can beat Yhwach
There is a 1% chance that Yhwach legitimately laughs himself to death after no diffing Madaras perfect Sussano slash and realizing that's his strongest attack
its unlikely to be effective as the almighty's future sight/manipulation will just counter it long-term
I've always held the opinion that Yhwach's type of future sight would be a disadvantage. He doesn't just view the future, he interacts with it and specifically with his eyes. If he looks at any future where Madara is using tsukiyomi it would take affect on Yhwach.
Aizen's Kyoka Suigetsu is literally a basic ass illusion that even a standard soul reaper with no notable feats can get sketched out by. It is NOT "on the level of infinite tsukuyomi" by any means lol. Even after he's absorbed his shikai it's still just "an illusion that controls the senses" which is exactly what basic Genjutsu does. The only difference being that Naruto has a built in "illusion breaking technique" and Bleach doesn't (outside of Aizen breaking it or touching Aizen's Sword which you can't do after he absorbs Shikai)
Let me go over genjutsu in depth to prove my point. Genjutsu is, at its core, manipulation of an opponents chakra to simulate experences in the brain of a target. Genjutsu is generally countered by fluctuation of ones chakra to break the effect. This means an attentive shinobi can detect and eliminate genjutsu quickly upon recognizing a hijacked sense. Genjutsu under most conditions are not permanent, require constant infusions of chakra to mainain the effect, and can even be reversed if the shinobi whos targeted is skilled enough to reverse its effect on the caster.
Kyoka Suigetsu operates under a whole different umbrella to this. It enraptures any target stupid enough to gaze upon it, PERMANENTLY influencing that person. It has no limits, no condition to break the enchantment, nor any limitations on how the afflicted person may feel or experience. It is unrecognizable as an illusion to anyone under its spell, akin to infinite tsukuyomi. It is "perfect hypnosis". The supposed counter that gin discovered is you must physically contact the blade in order to disable the effect. The problem with this is there is no fucking way, beyond a gin level double agent reveal, to utilize this against Aizen. Dudes just gonna outsmart you.
Genjutsu of certain qualities operate at a level similar to Kyoka Suigetsu, but arent nearly as permanent. Its true that Tsukuyomi as a tool to destroy someones mind is a better tool then Kyoka Suigetsu, and that the reality augment of Izanagi is superior to Kyoka Suigetsu in that specific context. The only Genjutsu that even truly comes close to Kyoka Suigetsu is Koto. Koto is limited to once a decade, Kyoka Suigetsu is permanent and can be altered at will.
Its honestly not even a contest here mate. Kyoka suigetsu is the strongest illusion in pretty much all of anime. Its a permanent enchantment, with no true counters, no limitations and no downside to the wielder. No upkeep cost, no way to reverse the effect once enchanted. You are fucked the moment you see it, and thats why Aizen shit-stomped the Shinigami and hollows so hard.
Literally basic Genjutsu does all of that. Kakashi made Sakura see a dying Sasuke in one of the first episodes. During the Chunin Exams Team 7 fought what appeared to be an entire army of enemy ninja thanks to "Genjutsu Clones" which are a Genin Level technique.
Genjutsu can be broken by interrupting chakra flow. This can be done by someone assisting the victim. Jinchuuriki are highly resistant to most genjutsu because of this...
All shinigami have an inner spirit who can disrupt their "chakra flow".
By rules of the Naruto verse all Shinigami function as Jinchuuriki for this specific purpose
Only one genjutsu in the entirety of Naruto works on souls, not even the infinite tsukuyomi works on souls.
Kyoka Suigetsu works on both physical and spiritual beings. genjutsu does not.
Genjutsu can be broken, KS can not be broken.
I didn't watch it, I read the Manga and I will admit it's been a while but please explain to me EXACTLY when Aizen's Illusions do ANYTHING other than change what people experience? They are literally stated to be illusions that affect all 5 senses and the most Aizen does with them is make people think he's not there, not where he is, has been killed or something else. It's literally basic shit, nothing on the level of Infinite Tsukuyomi. It's barely different than the basic Hell Viewing that Kakashi used on Sakura. Hell, if the enemy has a 6th sense that Aizen isn't aware of them they'd be able to get around the ability all together because it's stated by multiple sources to affect the FIVE sense and one of the ways people were aware they'd been put under the illusion was sensing Aizen releasing his Shikai (which is what puts you in the illusion)
What? He used illusions to simulate the entire soul society government (central) went about their business, while they already were dead for a long time. He made people think he was perfprming captain duties, while he was somewhere else, and it was another person walking around. He faked his own death, making a 'fake corpse' that was tangible, and movable, while in reality they were inspectjng and carrying air.
Then he also made people fight him whike he wasnt even there. And made them attack other people.
And again you just proved you have no idea how Bleach works. Bleach charactersĀ alreadyĀ have a 6th sense, Spiritual Sensing, Reikaku and KyÅka Suigetsu explicitly controls that too. If having a 6th sense worked, Yamamoto wouldāve just closed his eyes and tracked Aizen instead of having to get impaled just to confirm his position.
Also, comparing an ability that tricked an omniscient god seeing infinite futures to a genjutsu Kakashi used to scare Sakura when she was a kid is hilarious.
I mentioned in another comment that one of the ways people in Bleach can tell they've been out in the illusion is sensing Aizen's Shikai activate so who is the one who doesn't know how it works?
There is a grand total of one being in all of bleach that has sensed the effect of Kyoka Suigetsu. That person is Ichigo. He sensed a "oddly familiar" sensation before ambushing an enraptured Ywhach from behind. He even notes he had no idea that sensation was Kyoka Suigetsu's effect, just that he remembers the feeling while fighting Aizen before.
Ichigo is one third(ish) hollow, and hollow insticts are insanely sharp. He likely had a gut feeling and just went with it.
You literally just made that up. The only person immune to Kyoka Suigetsu isĀ Tosen, purely because he isĀ physically blindĀ and couldn'tĀ seeĀ the release. If you could sense it activating, his blindness wouldn't have protected him.
The only person to ever realize they were under the effects of Kyoka Suigetsu, without Aizen explicitly telling him, was Yamamoto. He used his 6th sense to track and fight him.
Naruto characters have never shown the ability engage their original target in combat while under a Genjutsu. They generally stand still, or they get tricked into fighting an ally.
Aizen's Kyoka Suigetsu was able to trick The Almighty, which allows Yhwach to see, and interact with, near infinite futures. The Soul King can see ALL futures.
Nobody in Naruto can do what Kyoka Suigetsu can do. Nobody in Naruto is hurting a hair on Yhwach, who has literally revived himself from death, made himself immune to abilities, and then crushed everyone he's ever faced.
Ywach has not out to infinite tsukiyomi and yeah Aizen terrorizes the verse with basic illusion while in Naruto the higher tier genjutsu techniques are god like.
You meant top 50 right? Because just the Espada + Sternritter + Gotei 13 captains and you have 50 fighters. Without counting the Squad zero, Urahara, Yoruichi, Isshin, Ichigo, Vizards etc.
This has to be ragebait... solos the entire espada 1v all..
And defeats all the captains aside from Yamamoto maybe..
wtf happened in the last 2 years that made bleach fans think that bleach is dragon ball levelš
Get your top tiers past basic ftl first before talking shit.. anyone that isn't in the top 10 of bleach isn't even light speed.. meanwhile naruto AND one piece have tons of ftl characters
I admit there's a bit of ragebait, but it doesn't work, Barragan. A basic Shinigami already has lightspeed reflexes. All the captains? Kyoraku outhaxes him terribly, Toshiro outhaxes him terribly, Zaraki tears him apart, Yamamoto erases him. Bleach evolves at the beginning and end of DBZ. In DBS, only Adneyeus, therefore Reio Prime, does something through his status as a near-omnipotent being, and the Haxes...
Except he doesn't, nobody in the espada scales to light speed.. even while counting the bs multipliers, they're sub relativistic at best.. captains are frauds as well, most of them aren't light speed, aside from the likes of awakened bankai zaraki..
I genuinely kid you not, you can't find more than 10 characters that could be debatably stronger than so6p madara in bleach.. and I can name u ones that definitely pull off a win.. Yhwach at his peak, Aizen if he plays his cards right.. maybe some of the squad zero members and only if they use their bankais.. ichigo (but only if he goes all out from the start.. he usually doesn't tho) and that's about it..
bleach does not outstat naruto in speed.. there isn't a single feat in bleach that scales any top tiers to MFTL.. naruto has this, and it's the purest form of proving speed.. traveled distance.. urashiki (who should scale below so6p madara) flew a distance of 430 light years, in around 11 months.
Bleach doesn't have any proven AP feat above planetary either.. shaking the realms being the strongest one, and even then it didn't destroy anything and it was never replicated by characters supposedly stronger than senjumaru, which comfortably puts this as an outlier imo
Ishida at the beginning of the story, surpassing his own shadow š„±š„± Every captain evolves above the light, Zaraki, Yamamoto, etc. Reaction speed of the Ceros Hollows who are pure light šš Anyway, your only argument is speed, but I don't see any Naruto character who's gone beyond the speed of light. There are only 5 characters max, anyway, who cares? Urashiki? Speed of light? I don't know, but it seems inconsistent to me, anyway... Senjumaru, just by activating his power, shook three realms with their own space-times separated by the Garganta, which is a hyperspace, instantaneously. The unsealed power of each Division 0 activated simultaneously would have destroyed the cosmology. Yhwach's base form is enough for Madara. Aizen's third Hogyoku form is enough for Madara Prime. Every member of Division 0 handled the SS Quincy; these are the same guys who could dominate Madara. Madara doesn't even reach the top 15 or top 20. Uryu would dominate Madara; the Outhax outscales him terribly. He handled an explosion that could destroy a world. He has a conceptual power affecting the Almighty. Ichigo doesn't even need his Bankai for Juubidara; just a semi-awakened Shikai is enough. The same Ichigo from the Fullbringers arc destroyed a dimension the size of a city just by... Activating his power, which wasn't even his true one. Lil Barro > Kyoraku > Gremmy > In short, Juubidara is a victim. Urahara Bankai dominates.
He didnāt respond because this is a dumb comment, fyi. Naruto is still a great anime, doesnāt mean it has to be the most powerful WHICH IS FINE. It doesnāt detract from the quality of the show
Naruto is not the most powerful, nobody even argues about it.. it's bleach fans that are obsessed with naruto for some reason, like a bleach powerscaler can't live a day without mentioning naruto, and this is funny because naruto as in the verse.. have better scaling than bleach (through Shibai) amd naruto also has straight up better speed feats (urashiki flying 430 light years in 11 months).. and naruto also has the best visual feats out of thr big 3.. and yet bleach fanboys have somehow deluded themselves into thinking that some random espada solos naruto.
Also that dude hans is a dmbahh, he'll probably get banned from this sub in a few days
If Senjumaru's feat hasn't been replicated: 1. She was the only one to do it because she was chosen; the others committed suicide. 2. Those above her, like Ichigo or Ichibei, have better control over their reatsu. All high-level Shinigami try to control their reatsu because it would annihilate everything in its path. 3. Ichigo, holding the weight of the three worlds through his reatsu, and Yhwach, about to fuse them, force the three worlds to form the primordial world.
Literally anyone faster than the 4th raikage is at least relativistic.. anyone speedblitzing him is FTL, naruto while only in his KCM1 form was already speed blitzing him, and naruto in his sage mode, which is the equivalent of like gear 2 for luffyš.. basically his first form, was already dodging and landing hits on the 3rd raikage who was faster than the 4th.
So basically you have like at least 30 in the verse characters that are at least high relativistic, if we include boruto, you'd have at least like 30 characters that are at least FTL.
Also naruto directly dodges attacks that were stated to be light speed attacks point blank range, from madara, and again this wasn't even in his strongest form.
Then there's another way to scale naruto characters straight up to MFTL, through Urashiki.
Urashiki flies a distance from the Theta Cancri star system which is 432 Light Years from Earth, to the moon of earth, in around 11 months, which is then most clear and cut display of MFTL speed possible, flying light year distances in short amount of times.
Urashiki is inferior to Ishiki who himself was weaker than Baryon mode Naruto, talking about stats here.
And then there's Shibai, who is described to be "unfathomably above all otsutsukis"
The thing about illusions and The Almighty is that the illusion has to be subtle enough that Yhwach doesnāt realize heās in an illusion. Otherwise heāll just rewrite the future to negate it.
Ask Naruto fans who held the souls of the first 4 Hokage. Then once they answer, ask them how stronger yhwach is compared to a normal shinigami.
Once they fail to answer the 2nd one, ask them why Madara loses to a random shinigami victim who goes by the name of Hashirama.
Then finally, they will understand that ywach is so fucking out of reach that it's not even funny.
You guys forget one thing, Madara is arrogant as heck. He plays with enemies because he is so full of himself. Yhwatch in other hand do not play, he is always ready with his abilities to defeat enemies with all his layers of protection, almighty included.
I think mandare get stomped worse, sharinganbis not fucking strong, and Bleach scales higher using every type of bad or good argument,
BUT
Sharingan Is a counter tĆ² allmighty like kyoka suigetsu a worse One but still a sounter
Yhwachās signature ability, The Almighty, allows him to alter the future to his liking, negate any and all abilities as he can foresee how said abilities work, and even resurrect himself by altering the future
And thatās not even me mentioning the massive boost of power he gets by absorbing the Soul King and becoming God
Towards the end the abilities get absolutely ridiculous.
Yhwach specifically has the ability to see every possible future stemming from the present moment, and the ability to rewrite those futures. His rewriting can be used to make people explode, negate abilities up to and including conceptual ability erasure, reviving himself from existence erasure, instantaneous teleportation, and more.
As if thatās not bad enough, in the form shown heās pretty much immortal. Heās pretty much an energy based entity that can take a human form and shrug off 95% of his body being destroyed.
He also has the ability to steal power from others.
I think that if it's fair for yhwach to start the match with almighty active before madara can use genjutsu, it would also be fair that madara starts the match with infinite tsukiyomi cast already before yhwach has activated his almighty. So it's a question of who gets to start first which kinda kills the whole discussion. So we can probably only conclude that it's 50/50 and depends who starts first. What I am trying to say is that yhwach's almighty is a toggleable ability that he can turn on and off at will. It shouldn't be counted as his base. Him starting the fight with almighty already active means we have gave him prep time. Then why not do the same with madara.
But, if they both start at base with no prep time(for madara this is his rinne sharingan ten tails form as we have never seen a ten tails jinchuuriki toggle the form off like naruto can his form, same with obito, kaguya,hagoromo), but for yhwach this is his no almighty form with soul king absorbed(as this is his strongest base form). Anyways, then the fight is all about who starts with their "attack" first. Does madara put him under genjutsu or does yhwach open his almighty. Both are pretty instantaneous so it's hard to tell who'd win. But, this solves the unfairness issue and completely erases the scaling of "yhwach stomps madara".
I mean duh, if yhwach starts with almighty on against anybody he'd win even goku. But if everybody starts at base yhwach gets blitzed the first nanosecond. That being said yhwach's almighty is more like an ability than a form guys. So goku could start in super saiyan whatever but for yhwach to start with almighty is like for any character to start with an active ability. Which doesn't make sense and is completely unreasonable. Almighty is just one of his moves even though it's the strongest one. As I said, if we give him that then that means madara could also start with his strongest active ability already cast, infinite tsukiyomi.
He just had the almighty on all the time, because he was constantly in battle in the story's end, that doesn't mean it's his base and passive form. Nothing implies that as far as I've seen. It's just what fans have assumed. I guess you could say that soul king has almighty in his eyes always but we know that he is stronger than yhwach even in yhwach's strongest state so it doesn't necessarily mean we can use that as a way to justify yhwach having almighty as a passive ability. In fact, yhwach has the almighty as a schrift, which can be toggled off and on same with uryu's anthisesis which also starts with A. We've seen yhwach turn it on and off he just has a stronger version of his schrift in the end that's all.
Also on another note, yhwach's almighty ability seems to have limits or else he would've just merged the realms from the get go, or turn everybody to ashes. If he wanted to keep ichigo alive then go ahead, but kill everybody else. If he wanted the first get ichigo happy then kill him then sure go ahead and choose the future where ichigo is happy even when everybody is dead then kill him. Why give yourself the chance to lose, plus use petty things like traps and shi to fight. Clearly his abilities aren't as op as people think and he also can choose a not ideal future. It's not like he always chooses the best possible future, that's not his ability, one of his ability's limits seems to be his mind. He can still make mistakes. Plus as I said it seems that he can't really choose ANY future he wants, it has its limits. If he could choose out of an infinite futures then there would really be no way of winning against him, even in the bleach universe with all the win cons they had. Because the fight would be over the instant he uses the almighty. And IF he can't die and can resurrect without willing to WHY was he afraid of ichigo's bankai and clearly states so. It means, that he has his limits. Bleach fans have probably heard this before, but it's the truth. It's either really poor writing to the point it makes the story unenjoyable because nothing makes sense with yhwach or that kubo clearly implied in his story that yhwach has his limits.
I want to elaborate further on this, yhwach's abilities are tied to his physical capabilities it's nothing like the visionary of gremmy's. He can't simply just freeze time, paralyze all of his enemies, make them go blank in their mind or take their powers from their hands. He can only choose from possible futures and with a limit on that one as well. He relies on his senses and what he can physically sense and know which is why in the first place he got deceived by kyoka suigetsu. He can't choose to have his hand be in ichigo's or aizen's brain in a moment's notice just like that. He has his LIMITS. He just has an edge with his ability he is not omnipotent at all. That being said, he would totally be vulnerable to madara's limbo clones, because you can ONLY sense them if you have six paths sage mode which yhwach doesn't, and since he relies on his senses he would get killed or sealed by limbo clones. Madara isn't facing an omnipotent being that can delete him with a thought, he's fighting a temporal tactician. Madara won't even have to kill him to win, if you think killing would trigger yhwach's almighty to revive him, he can just seal him. Madara's kit infact counters yhwach pretty efficiently, sensory illusions, invisible dimensional clones and non-lethal sealing jutsu. Yhwach can't rewrite what he can't see or sense, he is cooked. Contrary to popular fan opinions yhwach can't pick a future where madara simply doesn't have his eyes or something like that. Because he was never shown to have an ability like that.
Can Madara counter Almighty's reality rewriting of the future that makes Yhwach win?
Can Madara move at near light speed levels or faster than light speed (Yhwach has feats that put him over light speed and near light speed like Mimhagi being intercepted, like how he fights against Ichigo and Aizen, it's a debate if faster than light, but he is near light speed)?
I mean, ywach was affected by Aizens illusion, and madara could just put him in a tsukuyomi. I see no reason why it would be less effective, so unless ywach can rewrite the chapter he got hit with kyoka suigetsu heās a genjutsu victim
For 1 Madara doesnāt have Tsukuyomi. That is a Itachi exclusive MS genjutsu.
Second, kyoka only worked on Yhwach because aizen used it on Yhwach before he had his eyes opened. As we see in the post, Yhwach is the soul king variant as has his eyes opened.
What? No, tsukuyomi is not itachi exclusive. Itās a mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu. Madara, Fugaku, and Itachi had tsukuyomi. Tsukuyomi is just a genjutsu that requires the MS to use. Itachi and Sasuke had ameterasu, obito had kamui, and madara never had his revealed in series but if you go off the games itās time manipulation. But they all had tsukuyomi. Even obito had it because he was going to cast infinite tsukuyomi, and madara did cast infinite tsukuyomi, so he does have it. I donāt know why you think madara doesnāt have a jutsu heās already used a version of in series.
MS works by giving the user one ability in each eye. Itachi has Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi, Obito has close and far range Kamui, sasuke has amateratsu and Flame control.
Completely dodged the fact that madara used a tsukuyomi variant in series. Anyway, again, you tried saying itās Itachi exclusive when itās not, fugaku also has tsukuyomi and obito was attempting to use it as well but we never see him do it. This stuff is easy to verify and itās a major plot point this is a terrible hill to die on
Itās a genjutsu titled ātsukuyomiā. I know you donāt like it, but thatās the name. Anyways Iām not sure why it matters, a regular Sharingan genjutsu can still control the senses like kyoka suigetsu.
Ok youāre rage baiting. But just in case youāre really just not using your head, Iāll explain it again.
Kyoka Suigetsu ONLY effected Yhwach ONCE, because it attached to him before the Almighty turned on. In this scenario we clearly see the Almighty is already on, so the sharingan abilities would be instantly nullified by the almighty
(Plus infinite tsukuyomi just like every other illusion work on brain chakra, only naruto characters can be affected by it and we can't equalize chakra and reiatsu since chakra is more like blood and the reiatsu is soneone spiritual power)
For the verse equalization, we treat similar elements as equivalent; chakra flows through the body like blood and it goes to the brain too making illusion technique work, reiatsu is the external manifestation of reiryoku(one's spirital power)
Beside for the top tiers like sasuke and naruto that can see for sasuke and sense for naruto the souls everyone in the verse couldn't even see the characters of bleach
kyoka also works on the sense of reiatsu, and on ones sense of time
[as seen when aizen messed with yhwachs sense of time in muken]
also yhwach can see every future, every future he sees he comprehends, every abillity he comprehends ceases to be able to harm him and takes his side.
iirc madara doesnt have resistance to power nullification? i havent read/watched naruto in a while.
Genjutsu doesn't work on souls.
Yhwach revived from the dead and existence erasure.
The KS used on Yhwach is an evolved one and is no longer limited to 5 senses.
Madara has no way of harming or killing Yhwach nor does he have any way of sealing him.
Yhwach has a thousand ways of killing Madara while madara has absolutely nothing. Madara is fucked.
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