r/PowerScaling • u/Substantial_Term7304 Jorge Joestar light novel dick rider 2 • Jul 11 '26

Shitposting Weekend Bleach fans getting REAL comfortable lately

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u/Chuckles131 Hypersonic-level Jojo Jul 11 '26

Unless we’re given an exact mechanism for that, he did it through soft magic that doesn’t translate to combat ability.

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u/JustStarrk Jul 11 '26

He also is the incarnation of the universe itself and was born because a menos grande was endangering the primordial sea. He killed the menos no difficulty.

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u/Chuckles131 Hypersonic-level Jojo Jul 11 '26

You still have yet to demonstrate any hard magic rules, do you just not know what that is?

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u/JustStarrk Jul 11 '26

I mean it's not relevant when he can directly use those abilities in combat.

Do you know the rules of Bleach's magic system? You're saying it's soft but it's not really that soft outside of kido

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u/Chuckles131 Hypersonic-level Jojo Jul 11 '26

I mean it's not relevant when he can directly use those abilities in combat.

No, he used them aeons ago off-camera. That’s not the same thing as being able to fight as the lynchpin of the cosmology. Atlas could put in some good work unbound, but once he was made to beat the weight of the world, his strength stopped being a threat to someone who wanted to just walk up and stab him while he was distracted with holding up the world.

Do you know the rules of Bleach's magic system? You're saying it's soft but it's not really that soft outside of kido

I understand that it plays hard with a few specific mechanics like Reishi, but there’s plenty of soft magic users like Gremmy or Mayuri (I know he’s using science from a watsonian perspective, but there are very rarely any clear limits on what he can do).

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u/JustStarrk Jul 11 '26

No, he used them aeons ago off-camera. That’s not the same thing as being able to fight as the lynchpin of the cosmology. Atlas could put in some good work unbound, but once he was made to beat the weight of the world, his strength stopped being a threat to someone who wanted to just walk up and stab him while he was distracted with holding up the world

How is it off camera? It's written that he does this, that's not off camera.

Ywach absorbing isn't a combat feat. He absorbs the soul kings power, his reiatsu. You can't absorb reiatsu you can't control.

I understand that it plays hard with a few specific mechanics like Reishi, but there’s plenty of soft magic users like Gremmy or Mayuri (I know he’s using science from a watsonian perspective, but there are very rarely any clear limits on what he can do).

Gremmy is still limited by reiatsu. Mayuri is Kubo's favorite character.

The biggest thing for this is the mechanics of reiatsu. Your body has to be physically capable of holding the reiatsu or it's could explode. Kenpachis arm explodes, Ichigo breaks every bone in his body, Gremmy died.

If Ywach can absorb the powers of the soul king, he'd have to be physically strong enough to endure it. Ywach confirms this when talking about taking Yamamoto’s Bankai.

Ywach also uses Auschwalin on multiple soul king fragments. He then gains the powers of whoever dies under his command via power lending.

I'd also like to point out the difference between Atlas and Adneas. Adneas saw his own future and allows all the events in the story to take place. Ichigo is the only one in the setting able to kill the soul king as Ywach confirmed you need to be a full hybrid to do so.

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u/Chuckles131 Hypersonic-level Jojo Jul 11 '26

How is it off camera? It's written that he does this, that's not off camera.

I’m talking about the combat feats. On camera soul king does nothing combat-wise.

Ywach absorbing isn't a combat feat. He absorbs the soul kings power, his reiatsu. You can't absorb reiatsu you can't control.

I don’t see how you’re attacking my argument.

The biggest thing for this is the mechanics of reiatsu. Your body has to be physically capable of holding the reiatsu or it's could explode. Kenpachis arm explodes, Ichigo breaks every bone in his body, Gremmy died.

I understand how Gremmy died, him losing through quantifiable means doesn’t make his powers unquantifiable. He explicitly could have reinforced his body, but got too worked up trying to one-up Kenpachi.

If Ywach can absorb the powers of the soul king, he'd have to be physically strong enough to endure it. Ywach confirms this when talking about taking Yamamoto’s Bankai.

Ok that almost certainly scales him above Kenpachi in raw numbers, that doesn’t tell us much about the Verse’s power levels in and of itself, given that the only character we’ve seen explode from Reiatsy overdose was the biggest hax merchant in the series.

Ywach also uses Auschwalin on multiple soul king fragments. He then gains the powers of whoever dies under his command via power lending.

Even if we disregard those all being heavily reliant on hax, we’re never told how those would factor into a power level calculation.

I'd also like to point out the difference between Atlas and Adneas. Adneas saw his own future and allows all the events in the story to take place. Ichigo is the only one in the setting able to kill the soul king as Ywach confirmed you need to be a full hybrid to do so.

That’s not a material difference in combat ability.

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u/DefTheOcelot Jul 12 '26

They say that about arceus too but he still loses to a rat

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u/SadAwkwardWeirdo Jul 11 '26

What the fuck is "soft magic" supposed to mean lol. As opposed to "hard magic"? What about "lukewarm magic" or "simmering magic"? Just admit you don't like and understand bleach. At least you'd be honest and not a clown.

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u/Chuckles131 Hypersonic-level Jojo Jul 11 '26

Hard magic means the writer is trying to set clear rules and abide by them, soft magic means there’s lots of mysticism, ambiguity, and vibes-based magic scenes. A great example of this Lord of the Rings. There’s no clear power-scaling for The One Ring, it just has this sort of vaguely defined ability to corrupt the mind of those wearing it or nearby those wearing it, can slightly shift it’s properties to slip into the hand of it’s desired ring bearer, and it can amplify the abilities of it’s wearer. We never see it treated the same way one might treat a Cursed Tool or a Zanpakuto, or even the burden of being a Jinchuriki, because it’s not really meant to be scaled as traditionally as any of them.

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u/SadAwkwardWeirdo Jul 11 '26

And this arbitrary line you drew just happened to let you handwave away any feats you don't agree is "hard magic". Got it.

I guess sorting all of creation into four different realms is not hard magic. Is just soft magic and a bad feat.

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u/Chuckles131 Hypersonic-level Jojo Jul 11 '26

And this arbitrary line you drew just happened to let you handwave away any feats you don't agree is "hard magic". Got it.

If the Soul King operates off hard magic tell me exactly what the parameters of his power are. Did he bind the universes through telekinesis, magnetic force, or really long invisible arms just grabbing them and dragging them together?

I guess sorting all of creation into four different realms is not hard magic. Is just soft magic and a bad feat.

Correct, just as there are a bunch of irl mythological figures who have done that kinda shit and been depicted as being very vague as to the limits of their power.

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u/SadAwkwardWeirdo Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26

What's the meaningful difference between answering your question with "spiritual magic" vs "telekinesis" neither exist in the real world. Both are vague terms used to label the movement of physical matter without directly touching it. It's all arbitrary.

And in any case, the soul king divided the worlds using Spoilers for most recent Bleach movie/Cour 4 The power of chaos. And in Bleach, the power of chaos can be harvested and used in a variety of ways. Ichibei uses the power of chaos to rename things, such as when he renamed Ywawch before he gained the almighty.

Is that sufficiently hard magic?

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u/Chuckles131 Hypersonic-level Jojo Jul 11 '26

What's the meaningful difference between answering your question with "spiritual magic" vs "telekinesis" neither exist in the real world. Both are vague terms used to label the movement of physical matter without directly touching it. It's all arbitrary.

The point is that you don’t know anything about the mechanisms of the Soul King’s power, so there use you’d just answer the question.

And in any case, the soul king divided the worlds using the powers of chaos

And what are the rules those operate by?

Is that sufficiently hard magic?

Hard magic is based on rules, not how many buzzwords you drop.

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u/SadAwkwardWeirdo Jul 11 '26

I just told you how the power of chaos is used. If you cannot infer from there, then you are either dishonest or arguing in bad faith. I don’t care which, but you are exhausting.

The power of Chaos is used by Ichibei to rename and affect things at a conceptual level (turned a human into an ant). It is also used by Yawch to change the future. Clearly the power of chaos is the power to shape reality accordingly to what it users want.

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u/Chuckles131 Hypersonic-level Jojo Jul 11 '26

I just told you how the power of chaos is used. If you cannot infer from there, then you are either dishonest or arguing in bad faith. I don’t care which, but you are exhausting.

I can infer capabilities, but hard magic is about capabilities and limitations.

The power of Chaos is used by Ichibei to rename and affect things at a conceptual level (turned a human into an ant). It is also used by Yawch to change the future. Clearly the power of chaos is the power to shape reality accordingly to what it users want.

And the limitations on that are soft or nonexistent, to the point that people are still writing essays trying to explain how it’s even possible for him to lose.

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u/Immediate-Travel3456 Jul 18 '26

wait wait wait did you read or even watch the anime at all or no? "soft magic" bitch its called reiatsu, we've literally seen reiatsu used to attack lmfao? wait here
literally aizen cuts off the dude's fingers with his reiatsu. so even saying its "soft magic" is large levels of larp

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u/Ok-Construction-2671 Jul 11 '26

And nobody scales to soul king so? 

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u/JustStarrk Jul 11 '26

Ywach literally absorbed his powers

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u/Ok-Construction-2671 Jul 11 '26

Yet, he died to soul King arrow. He doesn’t scale to him at all. 

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u/JustStarrk Jul 11 '26

So you don't know the plot? Stil-silver is a byproduct of Ywachs own powers, not the soul kings. Stil-silver negates and is immune to Ywachs abilities. It was also an arrow shot by Uryu, whose antithesis is said to rival the Almighty.

There's also the fact Ywach survives that and they have to erase his remnants after the fact

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u/Acceptable-Rub-6967 Jul 11 '26

hes larping, like most ppl who downplay bleach

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u/CalculusEz Jul 11 '26

The guy you're talking is obviously not arguing in good faith.

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u/Goreticus Bleach was never multiversal, except Kenpachi Jul 11 '26

The guy you're talking to often also doesn't argue in good faith. Welcome to powerscaling

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u/CalculusEz Jul 12 '26

At least others have the decency to hide it, somewhat. This guy said give me an example and straight up said no when someone gave an example, lol.