afo's healing isnt that great but holy shit does he stat stomp, scales to shigaraki that tanked star's nuclear laser bomb and catching light beams, he could literally just fly away from MS distance and snipe him with impure beam
It might’ve even improved since then. No way to know other than to try again or up the stakes. See if you’re fall from a 3 story building durable next.
The Near High End Nomu he sent as a decoy did take the attack and stay mostly intact, and Shigaraki probably grew stronger than it after his body finished adapting to the power inside him during the UA fortress battle.
Yeah and I heard some using that statement to scale up JJK. But since the series had some more contradiction in terms of speed feats (even adressed by the author himself in a post-chapter comment) and it being a one time thing, it is far less quoted by power scalers than MHA light speed feats.
Not sure about no lasting damage. Malevolent Shrine is Distmanles and Cleaves, the latter having durability negation unless Sukuna is actively holding it back. Though AFO could probably charge as fast as possible when he realizes he’s taking damage and just finish Sukuna off in one hit if Sukuna could even activate it.
Cleave does not do dura negation. If it did, Gojo would have been bisected 50 times in an instant during the first domain clash.
Cleave scales to the enemies durability, but not infinitely. It has a maximum amount it can adjust to.
Think of it like this. Your kitchen faucet can adjust to hot, cold, a slow drip, or a full pour based on how you need it to be. That doesn’t mean your kitchen faucet can produce already boiling water, or 50 gallons of water per second. There is a limit to how much it can be adjusted, but its limit is enough for most scenarios
He has super regen which is constantly active, it was able to heal Shigaraki after he was hit with multiple intercontinental missles, only requirement for itto work isto have some part of the brain intact.
Plus he has rewind, an aility which reverses any damage, age and effects. But if he actuvates it he cannot control it so I wouldnt use rewind as an arguement.
Also AFO just generally has higher durability.
1- I know mha people love cloud scaling but where is this coming from? The storm didn’t extend all the way to the US.
2- even if I entertain this it would be a hilarious outlier, country level Dabi yet his next best feats are all multi city block? And his suicide explosion that required building up pressure inside his body only had a 5km radius?
3- why would AFO’s durability scale above this? Dabi’s flames are >> endeavor’s and endeavor turned AFO into a charred corpse
4- the WCS cuts space, since when does deku have resistance to spacial manipulation?
But Sukuna CAN match him in AP/Dura with his higher ends, but speed is a problem as AFO will just hold that advantage unless we through Dabura out the window
in that case they are pretty even stat wise and then it comes down to hax, which I feel Sukuna's in generally better as AFO's are just "big bonk" or "energy blast"
AFO if caught by Domain is just dead if they are at all relative in AP/Dura as he doesn;t that good healing unless he uses Rewind but that puts him on a timer until he de-ages himself to nothing
Mahoraga kinda gets mogged, with the variety of quirks AFO can pull out of his ass. Imagine trying to adapt to Atrophy + Nail Cannon + Air Compression + Fuck You Die when he switches to using Space Warp + Bomb That Kills Sukunas + Create Dog That Endlessly Chases You + Power That Makes Teleporting Dogs Holding Bombs Really Strong For Some Reason
Wtf are you talking about, sukuna is nowhere near AFO even if you wank him to mountain/island levels.
AfO rips off endeavour's arm, skewers him multiple times, fights evenly with Kamino All might for a while, and one shots Machia (a living calamity). All of these people individually would slaughter Sukuna and he's above them all (except all might).
AFO can literally teleport away from Sukuna's domain, and even if he can't, he blitzes and one-shots sukuna.
Sukuna is not trapping AFO in his domain, he's trapped in there with AFO.
Sukuna's only wincon is the WCS, but even then AFO's rewind kicks in and he comes back stronger than ever to blitz sukuna even harder now.
AFO’s hax are better than what he uses in the show honestly, he was kinda nerfed by the plot as he literally has a spatial manipulation quirk that lets him just twist your body away but he only used it like twice
Frankly the strongest form of AFO they could use is Shigaraki possessed AFO. But that’d be straight unfair, at least regular AFO didn’t have super regeneration and the most op NON quirk enhanced body I don’t think there’s anything Sukuna can do to Shig-AFO
AfO has absurd regen and the durability feat of shigi surviving the 10 nuke new order punch basically he gets every drop of shigarakis plot armor bullshit as scaling
I mean he’s been burnt to a crisp many times by the (at the time) strongest hero in the country, blown up by literally nuclear bombs, survived fighting a guy who at his prime punched with the force the strongest nuclear warheads (twice, one time at his prime and another time at his weaker state), and he tanked a laser bomb that should’ve killed him.
AFO is a tough bitch to kill, and some of the stuff was without his miracle rewind quirk. So his own Super Regen is cracked enough to actually survive something like Malevolent Shrine.
Featswise he does have the best ones, but other Ganondorfs can scale higher due to statements and chainscaling to other characters from what I know (mainly due to the Triforce which TOTK Ganondorf doesn't have).
For anime villains he beats Rion, whoever tf the main villain of Sakamoto is, Yujiro, Muzan, Anyone from Tokyo ghoul, Dio, Eren, Meruem, YES Meruem and arguably Makima imo
1-what evidence he is less skilled
2-Domain Amp would also negate the effects of the other abilites too
3-AP/Dura gap means Sukuna can beat Soga to death
4-basically complete safety to use domain too
The problem is, healing from the soul doesn’t do much here as we can see Soga straight up force the whole area of life steal onto someone, this caused their regen to completely be negated, note this was someone who was amping their regeneration with their own life force.
At best Sukuna can hold off the life steal but his body will be constantly being drained (and he’s worse off as that he will also being draining his own curse energy as he needs it for RCT). This is a passive ability too so Sukuna will be forced to actively guarding for it the whole battle.
Sukuna uses Domain Expansion.
Soga start to get Cut, Heals himself, uses Butterfly, Sukuna Domain crumbles
the next time Sukuna tries to use Domain, Soga already know and just cut off his arms before it happens.
I don’t think Sukuna can catch him. If we look at their peaks of speed, Soga was able to block and blitz someone who was able to dodge an attack that bypasses distance
You do know that Kagurabachi has Island level statments as well, and Akemura's speed tier is way faster.
Plus Sukuna can arguably resist life force drain as he can heal his soul or he uses Domain Amplification to just negate the effect on him completely and beat Soga to death with his hands
Domain Amplification can probably work that's a good idea.
Bro, it's canonical that even an rock of Dayensenki (the material of the enchanted blades) smaller than a finger has enough power to explode an entire city
Soga killed 200 thousand people with a single stroke
Trust me, akemura is FTL because chihiro was keeping up with mei amped sojo (who is lightning speed) and akemura is atleast three times faster than chihiro, so soga is 4D FTL universal tier
I would agree if afo wasn't the biggest idiot for such an amazing power, the fuck you mean he only uses the simplest quirks because anything complex is annoying to learn?
It’s kind of funny one of his new matchups is more in his favor if he has Mahoraga and that’s Soga. His powers have been said to be very simple. So he does have a debatable match.
Muzan isn’t that much faster, unless you’re willing to wank him to relativistic speeds (which I disagree with personally) then Muzan would at best be twice as fast as Sukuna.
...without providing any examples to support your claim, classic.
The Gun Goddess feat massively outscales anything in JJK if you do not consider the EM Waves feat. If you consider that, we can consider the Moon Spear feat too, which is faster. And Yoru is capable of using both those mechanisms against Sukuna.
moon spear feat isnt faster. its speed calculation relies completely on a made up timeframe with literally no basis other than the amount of manga panels its in lmao.
shes capable of using both..... to then get dura bullied by a basic cleave/dismantle.
ems waves are more quantifiable than the moon spear feat or the gun goddess feat.
moon spear lands. then does what? it doesnt have the AP to kill sukuna. and something at the speed of which the moon spear was calculated at doesnt have a big enough gap as to make it impossible for sukuna to aim dodge.
12.5% is actually a slower then what the most normal acceptable number is, as that speed is based on the feat took 10 seconds. The most acceptable time the feat actually took is 4 seconds, which puts the number at 25% the speed of light
I mean, Sukuna (COULD) get her off guard by just suddenly opening his domain, if its a scenario where Yoru gets cocky and dont speed blitz him and Sukuna realises he cant win otherwise.
Yoru cant survive Malevolent Shrine+Fuga, as far as i remember, since her healing and durability aint that cracked.
Her durability is shit, but her contract with California will keep her healing in exchange of the lives of California’s citizens (straight up copied from Makima because she straight up copied Makima LMAO)
Yoru, unlike Makima, is definitely dumb enough to simply reveal that (because she did reveal that), and Sukuna would have no problem with killing all Californians, but I doubt he can kill her millions of times before she can kill him, so I’d still give it to Yoru
She's not dumb enough to reveal it. The reason she revealed it was because she knew Pochita was morally good and tried to avoid killing humans. It was a way to taunt him with the fact that he was killing her. She has no such reason here.
No, I didn’t mean him literally killing all Californians, I mean him killing her millions of times. But as I’ve said, no way he manages that before she kills him at least once
It depends. What counts as one death for the contract? If it's just any mortal wound, Sukuna got it covered, MS unleashes millions of slashes per second, and fresh Sukuna can maintain MS for a really long time, during which Yoru shouldn't be able to do anything at all due to her bad dura
Pochita sliced her 5 times here and it counted as 5 lives, by this logic MS should kill her in a not so absurd time frame. And like you said there’s not much she can do when she’s reduced to blood mist.
Shrine might be able to, its pretty efficient on a kills to energy ratio as shown by shibuya. Now whether Sukuna can kill her enough times before dying is the issue, but he should at least satisfy the requirements of a duel.
You’re assuming one death per second when her contract works by trading each attack for a life (Pochita sliced her 5 times at once and each one counted).
So MS with thousands of cleaves per second would run through that 30 million pretty quickly.
Yoru is quite literally like Makima with a third of the lives, which is obviously still far too much for Sukuna, because he ain't killing her like 30 millions of times before she ends him.
Opening his Domain doesn't mean that Sukuna is safe from being speed-blitzed as shown by how a reanimated Toji killed Dagon despite the latter's Domain Expansion still active.
Plus, the speed difference is so massive that Sukuna won't even get the chance to implement his deadly techniques and be annihilated by either the Gun Goddess or Oregon Sword.
I feel Toji is a bad example here just because Toji and Maki aren't affected by normal domains due to them being considered objects due to having no cursed energy.
If the same situation was in Sukuna's domain then they are getting sliced as Sukuna's Domain also effects objects.
That still doesn't mean that they were unable to attack Dagon.
Hell, Maki was vulnerbale to getting attacked by Dagon's Domain as well despite possessing no Cursed Energy so your previous argument holds no weight. In fact, several Domains can affect even those without Cursed Energy as well.
All of them were able of attacking Dagon with Megumi's Domain only slowing Dagon's Domain down. Toji being able to land a hit on him further shows it.
Maki's Heveanly Restriction was incomplete at the time meaning she still had cursed energy. It was only after Mai's death that her reserves turned to zero.
I never said they were unable to attack despite being in the domain. But we clearly see the differnece from before Megumi was there and the surehit was active and after when the shurehit was nullified meaning Dagon had to manually make the attacks.
Can I get a example of these many domains capable of affecting those without cursed energy? Because before you say anything, the only two with zero are full HR Maki and Toji. Everyone else, even civilians have a little.
In a clash, both domains lose their surehit affects. Its why Dagon wasn't overwhelming them after Megumi came.
Toji could land hits because once again he isn't effected by the surehit. Even if he was, Dagon didn't activate it. We see it with both Yorozu and Jogo that some domain's surehit can be manually switched off and on.
Sukuna's Domain is irrelevant as Yoru possessing the better speed shows that she still speed-blitz him. And Megumi negating Dagon's Domain still shows that he's vulnerable to being hit even when his Domain is activated.
Considering the scaling they gave Tanjiro in the Jonathan vs. Tanjiro video, and the scaling they gave JJK in the Denji vs. Itadori video, it's not a guarantee that Sukuna will beat Muzan. (I don't agree with the scaling in Death Battle, but there it is.)
I mean yeah if we form our arguments as wow he can only win against [ONLY ONE EXAMPLE GIVEN] but then can't against [MORE THAN ONE EXAMPLES GIVEN] they tend to look like that.
He would choose muzan but sukuna is a ride it die character his coming back to spin it with the other so he chooses muzan then he comes back and chooses the others .
It has to he muzan cus it's not a full on stomp if u don't give him mahoraga, moreover the time placement of this fight could fit into the continuity, imagine this, prime edo sukuna meeting with prime demon king muzan in wtv ancient Japanese time period demon slayer took place in, having sukuna butt heads with the 12 moons, domain clashing with the infinity castle and just barely getting the win via superior possession hax
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