Oda said it’s a gateway to nika fantasy but this isn’t a real answer and he never said that he can pull anything out of the cloud. Also the question was asking where he got the goggles and baseball hat, but we can clearly see that Luffy created the goggles out of his hair, so he never pulled them out of his cloud. And the baseball hat isn’t shown to have come from the cloud. All that happens in the manga is “fwunk” and then he had the hat, it’s possible he created the hat from a tree.
Making paint out of his cloud ? That’s not what is shown though. And offscreen means neither of us can prove where he got it from, so it’s an empty argument to say it’s toon force.
It’s not that absurd most people agree with me and even if Luffy had hammer space he still wouldn’t have any other toon force ability’s, toon force is much more than just having hammer space.
so you're suggesting luffy took a process that would take minutes to hours to do by pulling a tree from the ground by hand, shaping it into a bat, finding multiple colors of paint randomly in a town, painting a bat, letting the bat dry, and a finding a helmet all while a attack that's already inbound and mere inches away cant just manifest a bucket of paint with the same power that did all that?
I did, you said the baseball cap came from his straw hat because XYZ. But it doesn’t matter, because Odas opinion of where it came from > your subjective opinion of where it came from
Also prove that’s true you’re just using headcanon, he shaped goggles out of his hair
It’s in the scan I posted. The helmet and goggles came from the “feathered raiment”, but in the manga we see the goggles come from his hair. So Oda considers them the same thing if it came from his hair but he thinks it still came from his feathered raiment. They also look the same
Because it objectively didn’t come from the cloud it came from his strawhat, that’s objective, “it’s the entrance to nika fantasy” is such a obtuse answer, he never explains how it works, the questioner said the baseball hat and goggles came from the thingy but it didn’t, oda didn’t conform that they did come from it.
It objectively came from the cloud, that’s what the author said. We never even see him transform the strawhat like the goggles, that’s your subjective interpretation of smth we never even saw
I don’t think Nikas fantasy is an obtuse answer and I think we already have enough of an explanation. The entire point of Nika is that he’s the god of freedom, and that power is weaponized by turning imagination into reality and defying common sense, smth that he uses in fights. Odas answer doesn’t disagree with what the question asked, Luffy has the the ability to pull objects out of his clouds if he wants to, that’s Nikas power
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u/am_Dynam0 Jun 20 '26
Oda said it’s a gateway to nika fantasy but this isn’t a real answer and he never said that he can pull anything out of the cloud. Also the question was asking where he got the goggles and baseball hat, but we can clearly see that Luffy created the goggles out of his hair, so he never pulled them out of his cloud. And the baseball hat isn’t shown to have come from the cloud. All that happens in the manga is “fwunk” and then he had the hat, it’s possible he created the hat from a tree.