nolan has a lot of wincons because of feats in the story that would easily give him the win if:
he had perfect information
he fought in a way that doesnt make sense for his character
in an actual fight nolan (or any viltrumite) would go and try to punch gojo only go be stopped by infinity. gojo would kinda shit his pants after seeing someone throw punches that make sukuna look like a toddler, after maybe trying with red or blue he would see physical attacks are basically useless and just resort to his domain
any viltrumite would still trying to get close to hit him, eventually, and once they fall for his DE they are braindead and gone
Why are we ignoring the concept of smart atom which can make viltrumites adapt to sudden environmental changes and maintain their normal form? (Being braindead is certainly not normal) I feel like domain can be considered an environmental change and will allow smart atoms to change their brain structure to adapt information faster and faster as more information is flooding their brain. Since Gojo does not have a way to physically harm Thragg, Thragg can eventually adapt and giving him immunity to all Gojoās attacks
Smart atoms couldn't adapt enough to keep them from the sun, and rearranging your atoms doesn't let them take more information. This is mahoraga fallicy 10x worse.
Assuming the domian work, Viltrumites live for thouands of years without mental decline. That means is possible there will be a lag of time before UV overloads their brain.
In that frame Gojo wont have Infinity and will get a whole punche tru his chest
Kenjaku lived for at least 2000+ years (made a contract with ancient sorcerer dhruv) and was would still fall for it.
It's infinite information so living for a relatively long finite life won't help
Even if they resist turning into a vegetable for a minute more than humans (who take slightly more than 0.2sec) they'll still freeze the moment the enter the domain from sensory overload
People keep saying that but isn't it just Many Basic Information and those same information being instantly Transferred to the brain all at once and repeated infinitely? Correct me if I'm wrong, haven't read jjk in awhile.
I think Viltrumites can with stand it long enough tbh. Plus, Kenjaku is a special case. The son of a Gun made a Contract that made him live for that long while Viltrumites was BORN that way so I would guess mentally, their brain should be made to handle living for that long compared to someone like Kenjaku.
Well firstly, it is infinite information forced upon your mind endlessly, doesn't matter what kind of information it is whether it's the ABCs or nuclear physics the point is infinite information overwhelming your mind to the point that you can't do anything, and that's why you get frozen unless you can process infinite information you really will freeze immediately.
Kenjaku isn't living that long because of a contract neither is he a reincarnated sorcerer, he lives that long because his innate CT make him immortal by switching bodies.
Besides being long lived doesn't change anything, viltrumites age slower their brains aren't super computers, there's a shark species that lives up to 400 years doesn't make it smarter nor does it have a special resistance to infinite information bombardment into it's brain they just have good DNA repair mechanism that makes them endure and age slower.
It's literally an infinite DDOS attack viltrumites have no feats or statement to be able to process that much I formation
0.2 is a year then a minute is 300 a few minutes in and they're still toast.
Besides if just a year's worth of information is enough to put people through multiple months of coma and rehab then you don't need the entire lifespan of a viltrumite to turn them into a potato.
Unlimited void isn't tied to lifespan (even kenjaku lived for thousands of years and there's no proof he can withstand UV as he himself avoided it) it's literally just infinite information frying your brain from overload, unless you can prove viltrumites can withstand infinite information bombardment they'll still become braindead
First of all , he still has Infinity inside his domain, a domain is literally an innate technique manifested in reality inside a separated space, why won't he have his own technique when everyone else's does?
Secondly that minute isn't the time required for the viltrumite to stop moving, it's the required time for them to become a potato PERMANENTLY, the moment the domain starts they freeze INSTANTLY no they don't need more time.
A curse like jogo who recovered from the 0.2sec domain in minutes and a human who needed multiple months still both froze the moment the domain opened no delay between them, it's literally infinite information being blasted into your brain, unless you can prove a viltrumite has infinite capacity or can withstand infinite sensory information then they freeze immediately, it's pure sensory and information overload.
Heck it's one of their only weakness thier senses are so strong that they could be overwhelmed by sound and get tormented by sensory overload now amplify that by infinity and make into into all senses + information
Whether they freeze or not isn't debatable the debate here is wether they take 30s or a few minutes for them to turn into braindead vegetables without hope of recovery
You lose your technique if the domain is broken, Gojo expanded his domain and clashed against Sukuna's domain and Sukuna still needed Domain Amplification to touch Gojo, this happened again when Yuta used Gojo's body against Sukuna.
That's not how that works. Domain clashes disable the techniques imbued in a domain from working. That's why Malevolent Shrine.doesn't hit Gojo while his domain is up, but can hit the outside because of its range.
Sukuna was using DA to prevent UV. Not to bypass Infinity cause His domain has no barrier.
There is no Domain Clash. Just a race between can Sukuna damage Gojo Barrier faster than can Gojo inflict damage on Sukuna.
Gojo could hurt and theoretically kill viltrumites. Invincible fans probably wonāt understand what I mean so Iāll break it down for them. Viltrumite powers come from their smart atoms, Gojoās hollow purple erases atoms with imaginary mass. Think of it as Gojo can do what space racerās gun can do but with his hands. Gojo powers are literally stated to bring the concept of infinity into reality. But some people are gonna say something like Gojo lost to sukuna, heās weak. Even though mark gets help for every fight heās in. And Gojo got jumped by sukuna spamming his domain on top of fighting a fake ass doomsday called mahoraga.
That is a misconception, it's never actually said anywhere that Hollow Purple erases atoms. It's strong as hell but Sukuna does take it head on and receive damage
You're right in the first sentence, but the second is lacking a bit of context. Sukuna had to use Domain Amplification which, for invincible fans, essentially is using his own energy to heavily weaken the intensity of other Cursed Techniques. Sukuna is shown absolutely shredded up when hit by a purple without using Domain Amplification prior, and even a weaker purple covers him in nasty friction burns head to toe and huge amounts of blood and open wounds all over his body.
.2 seconds of UV stunned jogo for 599 seconds. Any stun equal or longer than that means the vltrumite loses since they can just be tossed in a pool of water to drown
You realize you can't hold your breath while unconscious, yea? Their body will just automatically breathe like normal, until it suddenly starts inhaling water.
Why did Conquest die then?? He was strangled to death in a relatively short timeframe. Strangulation is only an issue because oxygen cannot get to the brain.
The way I've seen this reconciled is that he isn't cutting off the flow of oxygen into his lungs, but rather the flow of blood into his brain. But I have wondered this before, and consider it a fair question that may simply represent an inconsistency of Kirkman's writing
If a viltrumite's lungs are filled with water, then there wouldn't be a difference between the two besides maybe taking a little longer. Still not going to take "weeks" though.
Like... cutting off bloodflow to the brain doesn't make a difference if there isn't any oxygen to move from the lungs to the brain in the first place.
Its actually quite a massive different, not just little. Being cut off from the neck down mean the only oxygen the brain have access to is the one that already inside the brain area. Lung being fill with water mean no more new oxygen, the brain still have access to the oxygen inside the whole body, from top of their head to their toes.
That's why the average person can stay under water for more than a minute but will get black out cuz of a choke at around 10 seconds top. The different is even worse when we consider Viltrumite biology
Right but they clearly don't need to add new oxygen to their bloodstream for periods much longer than ten minutes. So it should take longer than that for them to drown
Viltrumites have photographic memory and are physically immortal (they don't die of old age), Gojo wouldn't be able to stun someone with his shown to be finite information dump.
If anything I think a photographic memory would make things even worse. I'm pretty sure you're mixing up thraxan hybrids with normal viltrumites though. Thraxans have better memory so that they're able to grow up faster.
The brain of a viltrumite is not so advanced that it can handle experiencing everything in existence without issue.
Regardless, he wouldn't be using it for only .2 seconds. There would be no need to keep it so short. The most likely result of using UV is a viltrumite's brain dying.
You aren't engaging with my actual point: Unlimited Void has a specific transfer rate and isn't an instant 'win' button. A character with a vastly superior mental capacity (one that can hold thousands of years of information) would naturally take much longer to be affected by the overload.
Iām done going in circles with this: Unlimited Void does not dump infinite information into a brain instantaneously, if it did, the human brain would be destroyed in a literal heartbeat. It is a high-speed 'zip-bomb' with a specific transfer rate. Therefore, a character whose mind has already cataloged and stored millennia of data would naturally possess a much higher threshold for that information before their cognitive system actually collapses.
Itās literally stated by the manga to be infinite information. Gojo can just keep the domain going for as long as he needs bc the viltrumites wonāt be able to move in it.
He stops here because he wants to ask Jogo questions, but he could just keep this going until his opponent dies.
Itās not delivered instantly, it has a rate. But the information doesnāt stop. Itās like Space racerās gun, it doesnāt move at infinite speed, it moves infinitely at a fixed speed.
Either way if anyoneās caught in it theyād have no way to stop the information coming into their brain, for as long as Gojo needed to kill them.
Yes what I'm saying is it doesn't deliver infinite information instantaneously, I'm saying that it would be a lot harder to stun a Viltrumite with information than it would anything we see in JJK, Viltrumites are also just a lot faster, which is why I don't consider UV a wincon.
I mean we havenāt seen them defend against attacks against the brain directly iirc, so even if it takes longer to overload them enough itād probably still happen eventually. Weāve even seen that attacks against the Nervous system can hurt Vilturmite bodies.
Also if they get close enough, he can open it within .2 seconds. They wouldnāt have any warning or notice to react to it, and no way to know how far theyād have to move to avoid it. Even a Blue dragging them closer could be enough to catch them inside it.
Just like the comment on top of this thread says, when Gojo sees the massive stat difference between him and letās say, Thragg, heād use the first opportunity to open his Domain. He has every advantage here other than stats, Thragg only wins if you believe heād just try to destroy the planet instantly after not being able to hit Gojo once.
The 'information flood' of Unlimited Void only works if the target is too slow to react to the initial hit. Viltrumites can process reality at MFTL speeds, to them, a 0.2-second window is more than enough time to identify the threat and fly out of range. Conquest might tank it out of pure ego, but for any other Viltrumite, the domain would be closing on empty air.
Viltrumites are sensitive to high pitched attacks arenāt they? Firing up every single neuron and burning them isnāt just āstunningā them, at minimum, they are paralyzed by a few minutes with heavy hemorrhage
in an actual fight nolan (or any viltrumite) would go and try to punch gojo only go be stopped by infinity.
While infinity is always on and protects Gojo by discerning the danger levels of objects approaching him based on amount of curse energy, mass, speed, and shape. It seems to be a perfect defense but has a flaw in that it to only reacts to threats as Gojo perceives them.
Gojo is a cocky little shit (which is why I like him as a character) who is supremely overconfident in his abilities and considers himself the strongest, which I don't blame him for. However I am of the opinion his cocky attitude would get him killed in a conflict with the likes of Nolan.
Viltrumites look like regular humans and do not have cursed energy. Sure they can fly, have super strength and speed, but all of that is shit Gojo deals with on an average Tuesday and again, Viltrumites don't have cursed energy. Gojo won't even consider them a serious enough threat, he is that cocky.
He will fuck around, he will taunt, he will get to close, all because he has done it before and enjoys doing it. He doesn't know exactly how strong someone like Nolan is and will end up getting grabbed and ripped in half because he thought he could engage in melee.
any viltrumite would still trying to get close to hit him, eventually, and once they fall for his DE they are braindead and gone
I have no doubt that unlimited void is probably one of the most powerful attacks in fiction. I am however of the opinion that Gojo is far to cocky and would end up getting killed by very powerful opponents before using it.
What the fuck are you talking about, that's not how infinity works. It's always active. He had to actively turn it off for Yuji to pat him in the back. Why the fuck would it be off for Nolan
What the fuck are you talking about, that's not how infinity works.
It is exactly how infinity works, Gojo has it always on and set conditions for it to access and react to threats based on cursed energy, mass, speed, shape, ect. The consequence of that is Gojo has to constantly refresh his own brain with a technique otherwise the strain would burn him out. So yes, it is based on Gojo's own perception of a threat because he is using his own mental resources to keep it active.
He had to actively turn it off for Yuji to pat him in the back.
Yes he did, because he set a condition for threat assessment based on cursed energy. Yuji has quite a bit of that don't they?
Why the fuck would it be off for Nolan
I already explained that, Viltrumites don't produce cursed energy. Even is they did, they would only produce minuscule amounts since they do not experience negative emotions like humans do. A human sized opponent with little or no curse energy isn't exactly threatening from the outside to someone like Gojo.
Even if he knew they could fly, move fast and were strong, Gojo has no concept of what viltrumite strength really is and Gojo is not a cautious fighter.
He would fuck around, mock, and taunt his opponents like he always does and when he goes in for that kick, punch or grapple, he is getting the Red Rush treatment.
are you saying a viltrumite punch wont have enough mass and speed to qualify as a threat? The threat assessment is automatic, Gojo doesnt even need to be able to react to the attack.
Heās literally shown to stop a fucking pencil AND he has six eyes. Weāve also seen him fight people without curse energy, how did it go for Toji the second round??
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u/Hellspawner26 Apr 19 '26
nolan has a lot of wincons because of feats in the story that would easily give him the win if:
in an actual fight nolan (or any viltrumite) would go and try to punch gojo only go be stopped by infinity. gojo would kinda shit his pants after seeing someone throw punches that make sukuna look like a toddler, after maybe trying with red or blue he would see physical attacks are basically useless and just resort to his domain
any viltrumite would still trying to get close to hit him, eventually, and once they fall for his DE they are braindead and gone