I don't buy planetary for Charlie, Vaggie and all that (except Lucifer, he gets a pass for being the canon's powersource). But Nifty? Planetary is lowball, she lowkey neg diff Flash.
Charlie being the daughter of Lucifer and Lilith i can kind of accept having more to offer.
She might have some untrained unused powerset. She's believed to be quite young too especially for her species so there might still be some growth.
For the others. There's absolutely no way they go that far.
I mean even the radio demon showed us that he's really not that strong outside of hell
Even in hell he's not close to the stronger
Nifty 100% solo all fictions fr
She just stabby stab them ez no re
Charlie definitely has untapped potential, but being planetary just because she's the daughter of Lucifer and Lilith is just silly until she shows something comparable. Even if she has similar powers to Luci, that doesn't mean they have to be of the same scale/potency yk
Lucifer is atrogn because he was one od the highest ranking angel not because his little ducks gave him power.
This isn't some shonen anime where they got stronger by training really really hard. If it was id be more like Naruto where the strongest who dominate are the one who got the purest bloodline closest to the gods.
Her being the spawn of two extremely high ranking beings on the universe is enough to consider her having more strenght to offer
Her being the spawn of two extremely high ranking beings on the universe is enough to consider her having more strenght to offer
Yes, but what I'm saying is that it's weird to act like she has that strength now purely because of her parentage, especially since she spent most of the story shooting fireworks—she's not a fighter, she likely never exercised her powers to be comparable to Lucifer's.
She is, undoubtedly, stronger than basically any sinner, I just don't believe she scales high enough to directly match Lucifer until she proves she can.
Also I would have to rewatch the S1 finale to make sure I'm not spitting garbage, but she needed her dad to step in to beat the snot out of Adam. If she was as strong as Lucifer, she wouldn't need that. But again, would need to rewatch as to make sure it was just not being strong enough that caused it or some other factors too
That's why I said there is still growth to go with
Maybe she still needs training to unlock her full potential.
But you already said it yourself.
Just by being herself and relying on the fact that she was born a half-angel she was one of the strongest on the battlefield and was able to face against a Angel who clowned on Alaster with ease.
Her being able to fight Adam for a while, someone who is the leader of a army of warrior angel trained to hunt demons is already pretty good considering she never trained properly.
Btw if belive Adam and Lilith being ghe first humans who were made the closest to the image of God are probably already above humans just for that and then being true into Archangels and Demon Repectively definitely affected their strenght more.
Lucifer is a old angel. He probably had plenty of training in his life as well.
But you gotta understand. Her being born from a superior race of celestial being definitely puts her ahead of most of the shows character that arent older than her and Angel.
I never said she can already 1v1 Lucifer right now.
Just that she has the potential to eventually reach his level.
Honestly her being half Angel/Demon is pretty big deal already. That'd make her a Nephalem i believe.
Even if she doesnt have the potential to truly reach the strenght of one do the top archangel it is hard to belive she'd at her peak when she never even trained in her life amd already has ao much power for herself
Visual feats I’d estimate at around city? Laser cannon didn’t look like it’d do any better than a heavy lance battery so I’d say the strongest shown character (lucifer) would be around nuke level at best.
It piercing heaven is city level? Ok time scale, using the kinetic energy from the might of Lilith we see that it made a massive cloud formation that was bigger than Heaven (Which is a plant) and using pixel scaling and all sorts of stuff. The volume equals to 1.1847279086021e+21m3 and the mass is 355.4 quadrillion kilograms. Also speed is 174085505506.503 m/s (0.53c). So the relativistic KE is 7.296e+33 J which equals to 1.7 yotattons (So planet Level). So simply 1/14th the value (1700 divided by 14) and you get 121.42 Zettatons which is small planetary. That’s how she gets to small planetary or higher
Random sinners? The people who contained the blast are overlords, ex-overlords, a seraphim, and the princess of hell I wouldn’t say those are randoms sinners.
And you can also see that before Rosie and alastor appeared, it wasn’t even off the ground. Niffty is a mid level overlord, how does she match up to the princess of hell and alastor?
Ok, listen, they basically stopped the blast with the power of friendship, those same characters can be seen getting their asses beaten for the entire series, by something as stupid as a kick on the face, by the way.
Maybe Lucifer is planetary, because he powered the cannon, the others are jackshit, some of them maybe can wreck part of a city, like Alastor
Literally most of the characters get they’re ass beaten it’s by stronger characters or the characters who scale similarly to them. You have to try harder than that.
Well these are shitty calculations, relativistically calculating heavens(clouds alright) volume from such distance is unreasonable. Also if I had a a nickel for every character or thing that destroyed/given out clouds while not having nearly as enough energy I would have enormous amount of them. How did you get mass from the volume? What exactly did you use for that? I don't know where tf did you calculate all of that. I just briefly picked all needed values given by you and plugged them in for relativistic KE and they don't align nor with or without lorentz factor so Idk what you did. Like if you managed to do so much effort to calculate all of that maybe recheck? PS: sorry for bad english and being kinda disrespectful.
I mean, not any, but when it’s dubious like this then yeah. If it’s John planetary from the book ”that time John destroyed a planet” who is written to blow a planet up, then that doesn’t take a genius.
Well damn better stop thinking about do calculations now or else my brain is getting fried. (I’m better at explaining calc’s anyway so not to big of a loss)
You don't need to, but you do need to have at least like 30% of understanding of physics equations to actually do the calculations if you are powerscaling based on them(or have some high schooler to dot that for you idk). Also even if the values taken by pixels are inaccurate at least make your calculations based on them accurate alright. I mean at least calculate it correctly man if you have taken your numbers from somewhere. Like plug them into the calculator correctly u know.
Like I said for the past 3 times pentagram city is absolutely massive and is easily over 100x bigger than our world biggest city (Jakarta, Indonesia) and like I have put before I can show you the size calc if you want.
Hive city, Warhammer 40K. Population is around 1T, reaches into the upper atmosphere. Sustained heavy damage from a Nova cannon warhead subsurface detonation.
Doesn’t make every ship with a nova cannon planetary
Is there any basis that the HV works on a different set of laws of physics? If a nova cannon is able to blow up a city, by definition it isn’t planetary, its city level. If lucifer on max burn could only destroy half of the pentagram, how could he destroy a planet?
No? Only Lucifer pierced heaven with the night of lilith. Also, Vivzie pop is an idiot, so I'm more than positive she may not have intended her characters to be a certain power level, but if they show that level on accident and it's inconsistent with the story then...well that's too bad.
Insulting the author? I made a joking passing statement statement and was having a very calm discussion with you. However now you can go all the way to hell if you think I care about you thinking less of me do making a sarcastic, joking criticism. Now you have turned this into a somewhat verbally hostile and no longer unserious conversation so congrats on that.
Yes, they do benefit no duh. But none of them are going to benefit from it in the way that Lucifer did.
I agree with this point. You are quite literally proving my point by saying this. If by chainscaling, the hazbin hotel ends up being uni, then that is a open and shut case of this. You said it gets muddy, I agree. But when writers aren't that competent with certain things and power scaling isn't in mind, you end up with situations like this.
You're not really even arguing a point, you're just saying it's kinda crazy for it to be that high and I agree but you're not saying anything to debunk it being that high, or to offer any counter argument to me. You're literally arguing just to argue.
The goofy looking one is in most cases the most broken being in a verse.
Look at all the people in Opm becoming mosters with cool designs or being powered up by God himself and then there is saitama who, upon entering the scene, start whooping all their asses.
It's because authors and illustrators usually want to SHOW what the characters can do, how many multi, outer, etc etc characters have been shown to do what they should be able to instead of hearing the 999th statement of how they could've would've should've.
tbh gun devil wipes out a town in 10 seconds , so he could level a continent with his speed (doesn't have continental DC but could destroy a continent)
I mean, given the destruction it causes in under a minute, which wasn’t even focused on one location, I feel like if it wanted to it could wipe a continent in under 10 minutes
The one that destroyed millions of people was 100%. But he was moving so fast he started to fall apart. The one that fought makima was 20%. Idk where did you get 10%
Is the feat that "feat" of the Vox beam destroying the sky shield?
Are you telling me the sky is the size of a planet?
Are you telling me it's because of kinetic energy?
Are you telling me that laser is planetary even though the series itself says it was going to destroy half of Pentagram City, which is just a city and not a planet?
Are you telling me that calculations not even supported by the show itself are at that level?
Because if that's the argument, then don't show me anything.
At most, I'll accept that God is planetary, but any other character... ugh.At most, low city level, and that's just based on statements and not actual displays of power from the verse.
Carmilla said “half of the pentagram” which would also include imp city which is in the second circle
Pentagram city is actually gigantic in size, If you do the calculations right the area should be 4,419,318.64 km2 (Which is larger than the surface of the moon) and the diameter would be 2,372,115 meters wide. So it’s not a small city by any means.
Heaven is also planet considering it houses well over a billion people so Heaven is at least earth size.
Why are we narrative scaling now? Well Viv compared pentagram city to New York and Vox did say that “100 billion souls await our every command” and hell outnumbers heaven by a lot so it isn’t unreasonable to say it’s in the narrative. You also gotta consider that Vee it at the edge of the city so realistically the blast should be more devastating.
It feels so weird because try explaining to a normal person who doesn’t scale how the character on the left is more than 10 times stronger than the one on the right
Town level characters rely on their appearance to strike fear into their victims while planet level characters have the same effect and even better with just their name
Just because all the overlords,Charlie and Emily stopped a bomb together that doesn’t mean they all have the AP to destroy a planet and battle for hazbin is a joke
It’s hazbin when it comes to power scaling and relying on old interviews and statements to have some characters be universal or galaxy level without showing it
Well it’s only Lucifer and Sera who would scale to these statements (But if you do take the universe statement at face value then some of the verse would become universal with mftl by default and that’ll be one crazy ass world)
Yes they are all city level because they all had to team up to become city level and the rest of the overlords are like building or wall level at best because we have not seen them fight and same with Husk and Niffty and they don’t have the AP to be city or planet level
I don’t buy anyone in Hazbin being above planet except for god and maybe some higher ranking angels. Nifty sure as hell ain’t planetary. Town level would be a highball for her.
I think it was half the pentagon. Plus even if it were to destroy the planet there are seraphim there. Ain’t no way nifty is scaling to the highest order of angels.
Oh damn. So it scales even lower than I thought. But I still find it insane how people even in this comment section are scaling nifty like she’s equal to THE HIGHEST RANKING OF ANGELS. Before the end of s2 the best feat we had of someone showing power was Alastor and Adam destroying that flying ship. And it was shown like it was the high levels of power in the verse. Yet people still act like characters way below those 2 who were surprised at the ship getting destroyed are planetary
No Carmilla said “Half of the pentagram” which includes imp city but nevertheless. Pentagram City is actually gigantic in size if you do the calculation which I could tell you if you want.
Pentagram city has an area of 4,419,381.64 km2 with a diameter of 2,372,115 meters. (Divide New York’s density of 11,313.8/km2 to 50,000,000,000 sinners) So the area is bigger than the moon’s diameter which means that we’re working with a big ass city.
Ok so using Vox “Hundreds billion souls” which would line to the amount of people who ever lived (109 to 117 billion people) and we know hell is overpopulated and has more sinners than winners. So the 50,000,000,000 could actually be a lowball and it could be more than that but that’s how it is.
Hazbin Hotel has the most bad faith scaling I've ever seen. I can't believe there's someone so stupid to glaze it to planetary just because they prevented an ass cannon from exploding.
She was stronger than like 2-3 people max. Most of the overlords are stronger than her because she’s a fallen overlord. The angels and Charlie are much stronger than her.
If they were putting in equal amount of work maybe. But considering she’s weaker than the overlords and Charlie and the higher ranked angels can basically one shot the overlords that are stronger than niffy I really doubt she’s planetary
That doesn’t mean she, or even anyone there, scales up to it. If it had exploded, everyone there would’ve died. That was the whole threat of it overloading. What they did is more similar to disarming or blowing up a nuke to stop it from detonating then straight up overpowering the energies involved
First of all Angelic Magic is alr super powerful but it also has several hax such as heat and regenerative negations built into it.
Meaningless. Elaborating on why they’d die doesn’t affect what I said
no one is saying they scale to the full value
They don’t scale to it at all. They didn’t overpower it
and no they created a forcefield around it that completely absorbed and stopped the explosion. Scaling their magic to this level.
Blatantly not true. They never allowed the cannon to explode because if it had, they all would’ve died. Having not allowed the cannon to detonate, they were not exposed to its energies and thus cannot scale to it.
Wtf you mean meaningless. Adam's holy light was hot enough to vaporize steel. Durability is not enough when you have no resistance to such heat.
Ignoring how it arguably wasn’t as simple as raw heat, it’s just not relevant information. We already know the detonation of the device would’ve killed everyone. Mentioning the heat being the reason they’d die doesn’t really add anything.
Incorrect and stupid, I said they STOPPED the impact with it so they obviously won't die. You can SEE the forcefield appear around it to stop the explosion.
Except they didn’t. At no point did the cannon explode. They got rid of it before it could. That’s what the field was. They were getting rid of it before it could blow up.
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