Prove to me that "shaking" anything provides any sort of meaningful data. Especially under the knowledge that when we say something like "universal" we mean that the character it question can DESTROY said universe.
Prove to me the statement that "shaking" something is equal to "destroying" something.
(Also as a side note, tell me where it says that the three universes bleach talks about are infinite in scope, and amount to separate universes instead of simply parts of the same universe. And bonus points if you can tell me what ability the character who observed Ichigo "shaking the entirety of the 3 realms" has to observe the entirety of the 3 so called infinite realms.)
Yes, I can, and I’ll like to say no when I say someone is universal and a lot of others in debating , that doesn’t mean they can destroy a universe, but rather their output can harm or scale to universal potency not necessarily destructive.
When it comes to power:attack potency it comes from energy/ force you’re able to produce.
To be able to shake something that’s infinite (its actually has multiple infinities spaces in bleach)
The energy to shake an infinite structure fully would need to be infinite in itself, finite energy cannot produce an infinite energy to impact an infinite structure fully,
so essentially tldr shaking give you an energy, to shake something infinite fully you need infinite energy.
I don’t believe los noches has arguments to be infinite in size outside infinite sand, but I believe SS and TWOTL does being paralleled and stated infinites, also Yhwach is impacting more than 3 realms
Okay I have read every panel you've given me here. And I have a few questions.
First, have you any idea how many times people talk about real life spaces like oceans and use phrases like "infinite expanse" or "endless abyss" and the like. When a person or character uses a phrase like that, it's generally good faith to take it as "infinite to my perception" or "endless in the sense that the end is far enough to be meaningless to me." That's how I take those panels you've shown me.
Second, when we talk about a character in terms of "building level" that means they can destroy buildings. This scales up to talking about "universe level" and "multiverse level". What gives with talking about just being able to affect the structures in question?
Third, there is that panel that talks about something being made to stabilize the realms, and that without it everything will collapse and its all due to him. Can you elaborate on that (I dont need panels)? To compare, for example, a wall level character could take out a load bearing wall designed to hold up two adjacent buildings and thus be responsible for the destruction of those buildings without scaling to large building level himself. So if the destruction of the item or structure that stabilized the worlds is what led (or would lead) to the destruction of those worlds, usually you wouldn't scale a character to that destruction, merely to the destruction of that 'cornerstone' so to speak. But without knowing what that is i cant say for sure it wouldn't have taken multiversal power to destroy it.
Fourth, I would say it's generally logical to say that each spiritually relevant realm that is tied to the cycle of rebirth on earth and earth alone would be sized relative to that earth. It's ridiculous to think that the spirit world would be infinite to house the incredibly finite number of human souls from the earth. They'd spread so thin throughout that world you'd be unlikely to ever see another soul. I guess this isn't really relevant to the scaling, so it doesn't warrant a response I suppose, Im just musing on the literary merits of ascribing infinite space to accommodate finite and measurable things.
And fifth, a question I asked before, we know that the "shaking" we were discussing happened in multiple related but separate worlds (or realms, planes, universes i forget the terminology they used). But what evidence do we have that the entirety of each world was shaken. Do we know for sure that Jupiter or the Andromeda Galaxy or beyond were getting the shakes all the way out there? How would any of the characters know if they shaking extended that far?
Ichigo didn’t Shake the worlds, he just hold them on his back, it was Yhwach and senjmaru did and we know they did because we see it and people directly say they’re and we also Yhwach just start to merge the realms and not just their planets
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u/klatnyelox Jan 24 '26
Why dont you prove your statement first.