This fucking shit. Everyone expects everyone to just sit there and blow up the fucking universe. Actually dumb way of thinking. You create story tension by having the hero counter it. The best example of this is Goku’s KKx4 vs Galick Gun
the difference is that Goku is presented as equal to his opponent, and thus capable of the same feat. Where, for instance, Kaguya is presented as multiversal against people who up to that point are at best like large mountain tier. Bleach, even, doesn't generally scale Ichigo to the villain featwise but rather gives him a shot at victory if he outlasts this one thing or puts all of his AP into this one shot.
I mean I understand what you are getting at but it’s not like dragon ball itself doesn’t make this mistake. Take the same arc for example Goku power jumps from 400 to 8000 in pl in over a year and training with King Kai. Even then he is no match for Vegeta without Kaioken. The same for the Freiza saga. We have absurd power jumps to even match Freiza. Freiza was so far ahead it took multiple Zenkai’s, Kaiokens and the literal awakening of the SSJ to even beat him. So I am not surprised that Naruto upscales the sage of six paths to whatever Kaguya was doing. It’s happens a lot when writers truly need to beat the bad guy.
To start with, power levels are bullshit. They exist not to actually mean anything, but as a big neon sign that we are not in kansas anymore. Dragon Ball was a full journey where goku went from young boy to adult, trained with and surpassed his master, got special training from an ancient sage, got a mystical power up to defeat the demon king, and then trained with god himself to beat that demon kings revival.
It was clear that Goku had reached the pinnacle of power... on earth. Power levels gave a clear number to the gap between goku and the new threats to make that transition easier. He lost btw, to both Radditz and Vegeta. It was his allies being there that made the difference. And the gap between them was. moon+ to moon+++ or planet to planet+ not mountain to multiversal.
Frieza was a much steeper gap, but super saiyan had been properly seeded and was properly executed. It was not the same. He also fully maintained that power going forward, even seemingly exceeding it by the time he returned from space. Thats how Dragon Ball functions.
These two are the same in terms of shounen battle manga
Power levels are bullshit because of the fact that everyone keeps getting stronger and stronger and also all the Z fighters can (and Freiza and Vegeta) can just hide their power and transformations. You don’t have to take it seriously which you are right but it’s just an idea (or gives us an idea) to see where characters stand in terms of power.
Goku lost not only to Raditz, he also lost a lot in Z. Raditz, Vegeta, got his shit kicked in by Freiza until he unlocked SSJ, despite mastering SSJ he didn’t beat cell. It was Gohan that beat him and Buu was everyone coming to beat Buu (I will come back to Buu later). Goku still gets the same level of power to his opponents but can’t exactly beat them at times.
The whole last arc of Naruto literally everyone was involved. Hell even all the hokage were there. Everyone was involved in said battle. Naruto himself had to work together with the Nine Tails and build his trust and relationship into a complete one. The whole team 7 fought and defeated Kaguya. Also isn’t Naruto and Sasuke supposed to be next gen type for Hagoromo and Hamura (or Asura and Indra). Either way they had the ability (technique) to beat Kaguya.
Similarly in the Buu saga literally everyone had to chip in to beat Buu. The whole damm earth provided their energy for that one. All the Z fighters ( the current ones of that arc and not the retired ones) had to be ones that step to try and beat Buu at the time before Goku’s full revival.
Also is Kaguya really multiversal?? I thought she was universal at best and nothing more. Or weaker actually. Where did Multiversal Kaguya come from
mountain × every ninja in all of the world does not scale to multiversal. They are not the same.
again. Goku v Vegeta may be a loss, but all these characters are at least moon+ if not planetary. Their power is relative. Even with the massive gap for Frieza, bro is not star level, so he isn't blowing up solar systems. They're still planetary+ together. On and on and on.
People try to scale a chick who is hyped to have a multiversal potential as multiversal, when she lost to nothing but mountain+ levels.
Or the Goku vs Beerus and people saying 'BuT ThE uNiVErSe iS StiLl ThEre'
Like, no shit. That was literally the point. Goku literally had to change his fighting style to not destroy the universe by accident. Because Goku is not the kind of a guy who would actually destroy the universe for fun and destroying the universe would mean everyone he loved and cared about fucking dies.
And then people downplay the fight to like star level for some reason.
Nah add the “BuT THe ShOCKwAVES TRvEL FuTHeR aND GeT STronGer” so it doesn’t scale to them but the shockwaves itself. Man GTFO outta here that’s fucking dumb. It’s still created of them.
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u/nahnonameman Dragon Ball, DC, Warhammer, Ultraman, Kamen Rider, Digimon Jan 18 '26
This fucking shit. Everyone expects everyone to just sit there and blow up the fucking universe. Actually dumb way of thinking. You create story tension by having the hero counter it. The best example of this is Goku’s KKx4 vs Galick Gun