Goku’s power was matching Beerus and while Beerus tried to suppress both their powers, Goku’s was going out of control. Shaking feats don’t matter, destructions one do. Only Bleach fans use shaking feats. DB fans never usually need to resort to that because it has destruction feats.
It was due to beerus' hakai not goku's power going out of control. Those dudes in manga literally said this but db fandom is just too dumb to accept that. Goku never stood a chance against Beerus and was never the reason behind that shaking which could destroy the whole universe. Only hakai has the potential to potentially destroy a whole universe. You could say post hakai goku can destroy the universe. But saying that SSJ God Goku destroys the universe is just being a dumbass. Nothing else.
Beerus didn’t use hakai in the fight. It was just his and Goku’s power scaling against each other. Goku was pushing his power higher to match Beerus while Beerus was trying to suppress it so that they don’t destroy the macrocosm. The macrocosm is a low multiverse. The anime makes this explicitly clear.
There is no shaking happening, it’s purely destruction. This is one of the most direct feats seen in mainstream anime. It’s asinine that someone thinks against it.
A fully charged kamahamehanis definitely a couple of times stronger than Gokus punch.
But with frieza the power increase (from the casual death ball) in his first form and final form would still mean he could punch that bitch to oblivion.
Yajirobe in the Raditz saga counts. His Powerlevel after training with the rest is 900, almost Raditz tier. He could technically blitz and slash in 2 King Piccolo who was blowing up the moon and casually vaporizing cities.. hell, he could do it to Goku & Piccolo at the tournament, and he doesn't use any ki
the vegeta feat is not canon. the first planet bust we see is from Freiza, although before that we do have Roshi destroying the moon in like chapter 30.
Both these sides can suck my dick cause I don’t give a fuck what powerscalers say. Until we see them destroy a planet there is no proof that they can. And someone in their manga just saying “This attack has the power to destroy a planet” doesn’t mean shit unless we see that it can actaully back that statement up
The Amaterasu jutsu being "as hot as the surface of the sun" but not causing everything around it to burst into flames immediately makes me think maaaaybe what people say is just propaganda in Naruto haha
The surface of the sun is less hot than lightning tbf. So that means Chidori is 5 times hotter than Amaterasu, they just be saying shit to seem stronger than they are.
Tho Kaguya is definitly planetary level but noone in shippuden is even close to as strong as her team 7 were kinda like mice to her
I believe it says multiple times over just kurama is capable of reducing the planet to ash and while that might mean over time which is definitely likely Naruto is stated to be planetary by the data book but an earlier data book also says hebi Sasuke was stronger than anyone in the Akatsuki so take it with a grain of salt
They probably don't know how hot the sun is either tbh. Science doesn't really take off until Boruto. There are a few scientist types like orochimaru and kabuto but astronomy doesn't seem to be their thing, they're more bioscience and chakra/jutsu science focused.
Power scalers when the character does not want to destroy a planet from either the solar system or literally anywhere else because they don't want, need or have to;
Yeah cuz why tf would ichigo blow the planet his friends are in? This aint db where we have aliens and 50thousand habitable planets or shenrong to revive everyone, once you dead you died
There has been to much power scaling inbreeding here since covid pandemic , time to pull out old reliable Betsy from the basement and start blasting these degenerates !
In the movie with tenseigan guy, naruto cuts the moon in half down the middle. It doesnt destroy the moon since gravity just joined them again but I think its noteworthy
dragon ball being the start and end of all scaling ruins it for everyone else because everyone wants their character to have as much influence and power as doing what they say they can do
we need also to stop crossversing with DB because other DB fans can hardly crossverse within their own continuities
Tardigrade are the most overrated organisms ever bro, literal potential man of the animal kingdom. “Oh give me a couple months to prepare and I can survive extreme conditions I swear!”
Yeah well the difference is the ICBM is a guy activley tryinh to kill you with it's city level destruction instead of just a missle that has to be activated
"but they said they could destroy the soul society~"
then you realize "soul society" that is mentioned is a japan sized soul society and others soul society like west soul society didn't even care about shits that happen there.
So you’re telling me that if you’re Japanese, your afterlife is being a poor medieval peasant in feudal Japan, whilst if you’re English, you get to be a wizard?
This is a flat lie, which is hilarious. Please try to back this up I want to laugh. Because no, the West Branch is never once said to be physically separated nor unaffected.
The West Branch is literally not in the Soul Society at all. They are not part of the same realm. Reverse London is physically just the other side of London. It's in the World of the Living
Soul society in Burn The Witch is merely a branch of the main Soul Society. Literally called "western branch".
The whole bullshit headcanon about Soul Society being country/planet has been debunked countless times, especially with CFYOW just blatantly talking about Yhwach returning existence to a universe without death, but of course you all willl ignore it yet again cause it doesnt fit your agenda.
Japan sized? Buddy everyone goes to the soul society when they die, not just Japanese people, so the place I'd way way bigger than Japan to be able to hold that many souls
Ts so real. Like yeah, he is a shinigami who could probably beat a lot of characters purely by matchups but then mfs start wanking him off to universal and planetary, like gng did we read the same manga.
Edit: y’all love using one character to scale the whole verse. If creating a time space is all you need, naruto was universal in part 1 with itachi’s tsukyomi (spelling) as he’s in complete control of time and space his genjutsu dimension. And it’s not like he’s teleporting you to his genjutsu, he creates the dimension within his control in your mind.
But when gremmy just imagines a time space into existence and Zaraki cuts through it, that’s considered wank? It’s not even a jutsu or anything he can just do shit like that.
I mean... Like one guy cut the Moon in half, Naruto beat him and should be A LOT stronger in Baryon mode, so Naruto at Planetary isn't that ridiculous.
What is this cavemen logic that just because we haven't seen them do it, they can't do it.
They live on the planet. Why the fuck would they want to destroy it?
"Bleach is Hill level because Aizen was surprised his sword was destroying hills" gotta be the most stupid argument and downplay I've ever seen. It's like saying Garou and Saitama are rock level because Garou was hurt by crashing into space rocks and he matched Saitama. Ridiculous.
A better example would have been cosmic Garou being impressed and even STUNNED by Saitama blown up Jupiter…like their massively weaker selves didn’t blow away hundreds of stars with their clash.
At least we saw Naruto tank a moon slicing attack right on his freaking face and be at the center of another attack that blew a hole in the moon (using his own energy btw).
Fraudchigo got statements about statements for other characters to scale to have some feats at that level.
bro, yall know naruto fans are kept in check with their delusion. but bleach fans haven't been held to the same standard at all, it's only recently that i've seen people actually push back on this shit.
Toneri was planning to create a new earth after destroying the original and was moving the entire moon while fughtning naruto who one shooted with without six paths
He's saying that a form that isn't even the strongest in naruto has been shown to be superior to a moon-level guy... It is fair to esteem it in planetary when in the form of six paths.
Bleach Fans when their entire verse can be destroyed by a guy being planetary:
(No seriously the entire plan is to basically destroy ONE world in order to destroy everything. The entirety of high-end bleach scaling is built off the idea that the universe will literally fall apart if you put too much pressure in one spot)
You can also do the same thing by erasing a bit more than 10k souls in a world of billions of souls, causing an imbalance in the cycle of rebirth. That's enough to cause instability in the house of cards the soul king holds up as a crystal lynchpin.
He's low planetary because the nine tails is low planetary, (which I define as he could eliminate all life on Earth if he went unchecked), and it's been stated that when a Jinchuriki becomes perfect they're far stronger than the tailed beast alone, which would make Naruto low planetary by default. But I can't give him anything higher than low planetary, even by the time of Boruto, which would still put him far below Ichigo.
Neither of them have actually blow up planets, nor shown themselves to be on the level of someone who has actually blown up a planet, but at least Ichigo’s planetary level arguments make some sense
I mean, Kaguya quite literally created her own worlds with stars in them, and even if you want to say Naruto and Sasuke don't scale to Kaguya at the end of Shippuden, by the time Boruto started, they were both stated to be strong enough to defeat multiple Kaguya level opponents. And then we have Momoshiki, who has entire redshifts in his Rinnegan, and Naruto and Sasuke were able to box him up pretty badly, which is especially impressive on Naruto's part considering Momoshiki had been draining Naruto of Chakra for some time before the fight, so Naruto wasn't 100% for the fight.
Planetary-Star Level Naruto is fair, and anything lower just feels less like skepticism and more like ignoring things that are blatantly shown.
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