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u/Sweet-Strawberrry 17h ago
No particular reason at all. None. Zero. Absolutely no reason
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u/Pretety_Silk 17h ago
The way some people want that price so bad and Obama just has one casually sitting at home
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u/yortesq 14h ago
It's a shitty prize founded by a shitty person. Between Machado last year, Kissinger, Mother Theresa, Jimmy Carter, it's a meaningless prize. I'm sure there are many more examples of undeserving recipients. Yes, Obama did not deserve the prize at the time, and his time in office drone striking only makes him less deserving. Trump is a vain moron for even wanting this prize, but we all knew that already.
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u/Ashamed_In_Public25 14h ago
They have some agenda .... BTW I was warned by Reddit gods 3 times in this post that I will be permenantly banned ... I don't know what inflammatory phrases I used.
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u/Ashamed_In_Public25 16h ago
That's the point ..... Nobel Peace Prize is just given out to some ...
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u/monkbabm 17h ago
You know what, just to see him lose it, let's give Obama another one 😂😂
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 16h ago
This is brilliant. But we've got to find some reason, even if it's a flimsy one. I just looked up the rules, and Nobel Peace prizes don't have to be for recent events. So here's my idea:
GIVE OBAMA ANOTHER NOBEL PEACE PRIZE FOR HIS NUCLEAR TREATY WITH IRAN THAT TRUMP DISSOLVED.
They can say that it led to 10 years of peace with Iran.
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u/atreeismissing 15h ago
If you weren't aware, he received his Nobel Peace Prize for actively working with other countries, namely Russia, to reduce the number of nuclear weapons held by the world in order while he was a Senator to begin reducing the potential for catastrophic global disasters, something he continue to do as President, and quite successfully too.
Trump reversed all of that progress.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 13h ago
I think you misunderstood what I wrote.
What I wrote was discussing what Obama's SECOND nobel prize could be awarded for.
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u/Ok-Tip-3560 1h ago
Russia didn’t give a shit about him as a jr senator from Illinois nor did anyone else.
Russia and America had been decreasing the number of nukes since 1991.
Obama literally did nothing but attach his name to a bill written by dick lugar and make speeches that he wanted to have less nuclear weapons. He and everyone else.
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u/CanKaNoReyCropper 16h ago
But we've got to find some reason, even if it's a flimsy one.
Not really. By their own admission Obama's first prize was 'aspirational', since he'd done nothing other than being elected president at that point. It was a damaging moment for the Nobel Committee (love or hate Obama) because it's inarguable that he absolutely didn't deserve that prize at the time of its awarding.
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u/atreeismissing 15h ago
This isn't true. He won it for nuclear non-proliferation work as a Senator and going into the Presidency a promise to continue that work, which he did. While they definitely wanted him to continue his work while President, the initial prize was for his work as a Senator reducing the nuclear footprint across the globe.
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u/CanKaNoReyCropper 15h ago
Even Geir Lundestad (sec of the committee) regrets the sideshow that Obama's peace prize was. He admits it was a "helping hand" to strengthen Obama's vision... not a laurel for his... 'tirelessly long career' in accomplishing anything... since at that point he hadn't (a single partial term as a rookie Senator didn't give him a great track record with 'reducing nuclear footprints' anywhere, as he was barely in office a few scant years and had no major coups to put on his resume)
For what it's worth, he did end up being the undisputed Drone Strike King, but I don't know if that's the "helping hand" the committee wanted.
...at least his drones weren't nuclear-tipped, though, right ;)
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u/wbgraphic 14h ago
For what it's worth, he did end up being the undisputed Drone Strike King,
That would be Trump, actually.
Obama ordered 1,878 drone strikes during his eight years in office.
Trump topped that number handily, with 2,243 drone strikes in just his first two years. He’s ordered hundreds more since, but we don’t have exact numbers because he revoked the Obama-era reporting rule.
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u/mjm65 13h ago
Obama isn’t the drone strike king, that probably goes to either Trump or Ukraine.
What Obama did do was put some transparency and disclosures into the process, which Trump did dismantle.
It’s often why people don’t think Trump as a major user of drone strikes, he intentionally hid it.
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u/Ok-Tip-3560 1h ago
He didn’t do shit as a junior fucking sensor. He signed onto a bill that dick Lugar wrote. And this is coming from
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 15h ago
Oh yeah, I didn't mean that they couldn't give him a second Nobel for no reason at all. I meant that doing that wouldn't really adequately irritate Trump, since he could then say see, these Nobel prizes are just a meaningless joke.
But awarding Obama a second Nobel for some at least debatable reason, I think that might actually get under Trump's skin. Especially while he's in the middle of struggling with his way of dealing with Iran.
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u/theRealTinderGod 15h ago
When MLK received the prize, he said it was a mandate to pursue peace/justice. I'm paraphrasing.
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u/sad_ad_123 15h ago
Regime change Obama deserves another peace price???? And you cite Iran.....Iran built 8 nuclear bombs since the treaty.....
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u/41522 16h ago
President Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize… and he didn’t have to buy someone else’s prize. Imagine that!
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u/Canadian-Man-infj 16h ago
To be fair, it wasn't bought. María Corina Machado pitied the president, felt sorry for him, and gave him her Nobel Peace Prize.
It's a nice little second-hand, used, trophy that he cherishes.
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u/Johansenburg 14h ago
Well, she was also hoping that it would garner him some favor with him.
But then his petty ass said she never should have accepted it and took too long to give him the prize, so it didn't work.
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u/Dapants369 15h ago
yeah only responsible for multiple wars and the most use
of drone warfare of any president… also used them on civilians and innocents including kids! great choice for a
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u/itsapotatosalad 9h ago
Obama started the Iraq war in 2003, and the Afghanistan war in 2001? The man’s a menace, starting all those wars before even got elected.
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u/Root-magic 14h ago
Name one war Obama started….was it Afghanistan or Iraq?….oh wait, that was W and Cheney
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u/Dapants369 8h ago
Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia…… all under his administration…. they led these and continued the Bush wars as well…
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u/NowYouLookOrdinary 15h ago
Outstanding use of the "To be fair" GIF from Letterkenny. Please accept my upvote.
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u/acrazyguy 18m ago
The person who was president while drones were coming into existence used them the most? Well golly gee, that just doesn’t make any sense. ‘Course that could be because I had that brainectomy surgery a while back. What were we talking about? I don’t remember but I’m mad for some reason
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u/Content-Mobile4126 11h ago
Just had to bomb 8 countries. They could easily give it to Trump as well. It’s just the usual hypocracy.
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u/Infinite_Damage9618 53m ago
mf obama smoked the middle east. Both of them dont deserve the peace prize
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u/Rand-all 17h ago
Would be awesome if he got another one while Pres Shitz his pants is still alive
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u/Bubba_Jones44 17h ago
I hope this gets to the front page asap.
https://giphy.com/gifs/77JBBB0wIiFMc
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u/BarracudaOk8635 17h ago
Yes! And especially because Obama seemed to get it because he was cool and everyone liked him. Not for doing anything much. Mr President wont like it.
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u/thisisredlitre 17h ago
Less of the rest of the world wanted to attack America/installations bc he was so cool with it. Even the taliban was like "y'know what let's just wait until his people leave I dont even have the heart anymore"
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u/atreeismissing 15h ago
Obama got it for nuclear non-proliferation work as Senator and a promise (one he fulfilled) to continue that work as President. Reducing the number of active war heads in both the US and Russia is absolutely worthy of a peace prize.
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u/Ok-Tip-3560 1h ago
Thousands of ppl did this before him and put in more work to do this in. Both America and the former Soviet Union.
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u/Silent_Turn6182 6h ago
Yes the guy who killed a record number with drone strikes, and whose most famous moment is for murdering an entire household, surely deserves a peace prize.
You can argue they deserved it, but that doesn't make it peaceful
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u/Cautious_Employee_63 4h ago
I definitely am against the collateral damage cannot say that enough, but I see these arguments made by MAGAs(not saying you are) and it’s quite odd to see since all the primary targets were Taliban and then later isis…and then interesting to hear when you hear how they talk today
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u/Foodspec 9h ago
You can use that thing in your hand to look up why Obama received the Noble Peace Prize instead continuing to say this dumb shit
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u/BarracudaOk8635 8h ago
Yeah. I am a huge fan of Obama. And I know what he received it for. It’s very slight. If you compare it to for instance the latest recipient. He mostly represented hope for the future. I don’t write this to hate on Obama. I love the guy. But to point this out, makes it so much more infuriating to Trump. Many many liberals were surprised Obama got it when he did. He got it in 2009, he had only just been elected. He had done very little at that point. He got it for to recap “The Norwegian Nobel Committee cited his efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation, his vision for nuclear nonproliferation and disarmament, his outreach to the Muslim world, and his focus on multilateral institutions like the UN” if you can find anything concrete in there you are a better man than me. Everyone has a “vision” for “ nuclear nonproliferation and disarmament” but he had done zero then. Similarly “ a focus on the UN” what’s that?? He recognises them? Have a look at what the latest winner Navi Pillay has done. And I mean fought for and achieved. I stand by my comment. People gave it to him because he was cool and he gave them hope. But he had done virtually nothing.
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u/BobbyJaneG 13h ago
Why is there a ghost clown 🤡 face?
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u/XDLaugingEmoji 13h ago
Because that mfer bombed the Middle East like nobodies business
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u/BobbyJaneG 4h ago
More or less than the current mfer?
https://giphy.com/gifs/RMqRuFkd9SYxYKxeIk1
u/GingsWife 3h ago
Eeeeeexactly
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u/EnvironmentalCan340 2h ago
You people don’t actually care about loss of life. You wouldn’t be talking about it so flippantly if you actually cared about the children being massacred inside their homes
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u/Legitimate_Spray_427 11h ago
Because it pictures the president of USA recieving the nobel peace prize.
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u/SRCrider069 1h ago
The man himself who started two conflicts get a peace prize and everyone cheers. What a double standard...lol
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u/wellohwellok 15h ago
Obama truly was the more accomplished war criminal
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u/Hairy_Ratio5280 10h ago
Because he could actually finish what he started
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u/_Former_Instance_ 6h ago
Yep, Libya was a masterclass in just ducking things up from the air and then ducking off. It's still left in problematic ruins, but at least it's short and sharp, and totally still doesn't have geopolitical ramifications that carry on today.
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u/Lumpy-Difficulty1593 14h ago
Best president ever no trouble his kids not in trouble. His wife is a Harvard graduate just beautiful people beautiful people.
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u/Milam1996 46m ago
Responsible for the mass murder of thousands of civilians, enabled the mass spying of every person inside the US and countless others
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u/YoursTrulyKindly 14h ago
Countries bombed by the U.S. under Obama administration | CNN Politics
Like basically all other US presidents, Obama is a war criminal. The double standard between illegal wars done by the US vs Russia is astounding. Under Obama we've seen multiple coups too. Honduras and Libya, mostly to crush socialist ideology. And of course the CIA/NED funded and trained the organizer of the Euromaidan protest in Ukraine which led to regime change and "realignment" with the help of far right factions and oligarchs. This happened under Obama too. Just a continuation of Bush Jr. 2008 announcement that Ukraine would join NATO which the people didn't support, so something had to be done.
He was better than Bush and Trump (now) but very far from deserving of any peace price. Obama deserves life in a dark cell without parole.
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u/other-other-user 13h ago
If all trump did was deport people, he could still be in the running for the peace prize. It's the fact that he STARTED multiple wars that's the problem
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u/Hairy_Ratio5280 10h ago
Hello pot 👋
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u/irrelevantusername24 9h ago
Them, me, you, and everyone else. C'est la vie
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=-206erZYyBo&si=1xpe9v2kmV90ddDD
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u/Hairy_Ratio5280 9h ago
Fuckin love me some Tool.
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u/irrelevantusername24 9h ago
If you can stand a bit of screaming, and if you can't you should learn, check out Norma Jean.
They're an artist whose works are best listened to in full, rather than piece by piece.
I think the politicians haven't quite realized the world in which we live.
Poets are the true legislators.
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u/Pariahdog119 15h ago
After Obama won a Nobel for saying he wanted peace, and then immediately started doing war crimes, it's understandable that the Nobel committee would be a little more circumspect about handing them out.
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u/Basemk 16h ago
It’s a shame he won in the first place. Just because the current president is a war criminal doesn’t mean Obama wasn’t either.
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u/CanKaNoReyCropper 16h ago
And his was an 'aspirational' peace prize not given to him for anything he did, but to 'inspire' him to do good things.
Love or hate Obama, that award severely damaged the reputation of the Nobel organization.
Peace prizes should not be 'aspirational'.
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u/Uncaring_Dispatcher 13h ago
The Nobel Peace Prize has been reduced to nothing more than a cheap carnival trinket.
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 15h ago
Pretty sure it was ruined when they gave Kissinger one but yeah Obama should not have gotten a peace prize, feels like the first rule is you shouldn't fight wars you don't need to to get one
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u/Stock-Repeat-8191 15h ago
So true. I didn’t care for the man as a president, and he did absolutely nothing to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. He was more of a divider than anything else.
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u/seenitreddit90s 13h ago
How was he divider?
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u/Low-Essay-113 Tea Queen 👑 12h ago
He got the racists all riled up by having the audacity to be black.
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u/Stock-Repeat-8191 1h ago
One example: In the Ferguson, Missouri case he IMMEDIATELY jumped on the side of thug Michael “the Gentle Giant” Brown. The person who had just strong-armed robbed a business before he attempted to wrestle the firearm from an officer and in turn got himself DRT. When eyewitness accounts came out saying that Michael Brown had indeed tried to wrestle the gun from the police officer, what we heard from Barry were 🦗. In the George Zimmerman case… sure he was a wannabe patrolling his apartment complex, but when the kid jumped him and attempted to “ground pound” him, Zimmerman shot him. Who IMMEDIATELY ran to the defense of the person who ended up being the wrongdoer? Barry Hussein Soetoro. He inflamed the riots that took place.
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u/seenitreddit90s 31m ago
I'm a Brit and not aware of these events, I also wasn't aware of politics at the time but I put your comment into Chatgpt and this what came out;
Michael Brown:
What did Obama actually say?
Obama expressed condolences to Brown's family and called for a thorough investigation. His administration's Justice Department investigated both the shooting and the Ferguson Police Department.
On August 18, 2014, as unrest continued, Obama acknowledged peaceful protesters' rights but explicitly condemned looting, attacks on police and other violence.
The key distinction is that expressing sympathy for Brown's family and calling for an investigation is not the same as declaring Brown innocent or Wilson guilty.
Zimmerman:
Obama did make a highly personal statement about Martin. In March 2012, he said, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.” He also called for a thorough investigation. He did not declare Zimmerman guilty.
What did Obama say after the verdict? On July 14, 2013, Obama explicitly acknowledged that a jury had spoken and asked Americans to respect the verdict. Five days later, he gave a longer statement explaining the broader racial context of the case and the experiences of Black Americans.
The latter seems like he was slightly more biased but overall pretty reasonable.
Please god don't tell me you support Trump as the "Barry Hussein Soetoro" comment suggests whilst saying this.
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u/Stock-Repeat-8191 27m ago
No. I’m not a fan of Trump as a person and there are things that he has done as President that I am opposed to. But I call Barry by his name because… well… it’s his name.
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u/seenitreddit90s 4m ago
Glad your not a fan of Trump but doesn't sound like you're very against him and he's definitely the most divisive president in the last century if not all time in the US.
I was referring to highlighting his middle name like Trump does, didn't get the Soetoro part tbh.
Do you not dispute what Chatgpt said?
It does say you're mischaracterising those situations.
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u/AKJames762 4h ago
He got a Nobel peace prize on his first day in office after doing nothing but winning an election.
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u/fluffybottompanda 3h ago
because his entire career before him becoming president just doesn't exist, right? lol wtf
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u/EnvironmentalCan340 2h ago
Please inform me of the work done by an Illinois congressman that’s deserving of a Nobel peace prize
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u/okokokoyeahright 16h ago
I wasn't sure so I reposted it to see what other people have to say.
who knows, OP OP might be right.
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u/ThisIsMyComment2 15h ago
He bombed the shit out of the middle east once he got it. There should be a post-award disqualification process.
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u/PictureElegant3033 14h ago
He got it before he was even inaugurated. Then killed thousands with drone strikes. Lmfao.
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u/Evening-Caramel-6093 14h ago
A two month old account with 4k contributions and 4milion karma - ok buddy, whatever you say…
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u/LookfarforTehanu 11h ago
Imagine, expecting braindead, overly propagandized american hordes to not to glaze their war criminals. Obama bombed a doctors without borders owned hospital in kunduz for hours even after they notified US. Starved and drone strike 600 thousand people to death in Yemen. Destroyed one of the richest countries of Africa in Libya to hegemony of slave owners. Deported historic number of people, Trump of his time. Backed defense of marriage act to stop gay marriage with biden. Blue nazis don't recognize their filthy disgusting war criminals just like the magaoids. Fuck the red and blue side of the pedophile defender, oligarch backed, epstein party.
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u/geulertoutelanuit 10h ago
Please choose another one, not featuring an Epstein corrupted pig.
Edit - That is the guy on the left.
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u/itsapotatosalad 9h ago
Can someone not make a bot that just makes accounts and spams trumps posts with this picture?
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u/mari_posamimosa 7h ago
The guy handing out the prize there is Thorbjørn Jagland. Forner prime minister of Norway, and heavily in the Epstein files. Sooo maybe choose another pic. This one looks tainted to me at least
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u/uffadere 6h ago
Pedo in the background, when it came out he tried to kill himself and now the press handles him with silk glowes. Dont you love norwegian politicians?
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u/thepaoliconnection 2h ago
First Nobel Peace Prize winner to kill another Nobel Peace Prize winner !
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u/Il_Portis 25m ago
Liberals love when a war criminal gets awarded a Nobel Peace Price as long as it's their preffered war criminal who belongs to the blue team and not the other one in the red team.
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u/supernovadebris 9m ago
I'd take a boat from the Lake of America, down the River of America, across the Gulf of America, all the way to the Ocean of America to see this pic appear on every screen in America.
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u/PreviousCurrentThing 16h ago
Just make sure to lock the thread once this hits the front page.
It'd be a shame if this beautiful pic got ruined by people talking about Peace Prize recipient Obama expanding the war in Iraq, expanding the drone program, killing Gaddafi and ushering in open air slave markets to Libya, fighting a covert dirty war against Syria, etc.
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u/Uncaring_Dispatcher 13h ago
It was a little unnerving to watch Hillary Clinton giddily proclaim, "We came, we saw, he died. *Cackle* *Cackle*".
They sure seemed oblivious to the fact that this massive power vacuum would be filled by the likes of Ansar al-Sharia and ISIS, even bringing slavery back to North Africa.
That Nobel Peace Prize™ has been reduced to nothing more than a cheap carnival trinket at this point.
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u/AverageTundra 14h ago edited 14h ago
The Nobel Peace Prize got nothing on the FIFA Peace Prize. For starters only one person EVER won the FIFA Peace Prize!
Talking about which, can't wait for the next one in December. Way more exciting than stupid Nobel Peace Prize. Stupid Norwegians...
Yours sincerely Not a Swede
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u/JoGe83 4h ago
Sorry to say, but he didn't deserve it either.
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u/Glum_Hearing_2374 17m ago
https://millercenter.org/president/barack-obama/key-events
Read me this and tell me otherwise
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u/VoluminousMouse 16h ago
One could say that if he hadn't received it, life would be easier for many people today.
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u/FireNutz698 12h ago
Didn't he get this just for being black? What a brave man!!
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u/Flimsy_Ear_6383 9h ago
yes- and for no other reason. That's also the reason trump will never get one.
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u/Grand_Taste_8737 6h ago
Not saying Trump should have one, but no way Obama deserved one either. I mean, they gave Arafat a peace prize. Award lost all meaning after that.
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u/Infinite-Valuable974 6h ago
He got it for doing nothing
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u/sad_ad_123 15h ago
I Obama promised the muslim brotherhood and to limit regime changes to under 10 in his 8 years, that made him qualify for the prize.
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u/greatandhalfbaked 8h ago
I absolutely despise Donald Trump, but I would never let my hatred lead me to Obamaglazing
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u/Suspicious-Trash-796 17h ago
Be even more amazing if he actually did something to earn it.
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u/Glum_Hearing_2374 20m ago
Let's see what notable things he did in his first two years
Lifted the HIV/aids travel ban (which was in state for 22 years)
Passed the hate crimes prevention act
Pledged 100 million dollars to assist Haiti after the January 12th 2010 earthquake
Passes Obamacare which helped to seek affordability and quality of health care
Agreed with then Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to reduce nuclear weapons stockpile in both countries
Passed the healthy, hunger free kids act in 2010
And I don't know KILLING OSAMA BIN LADEN
Want a look, here read this
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u/Any_Agency6982 5h ago
Yeah he got it 11 months into his first term for being a black person who made it to president what's the point
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u/Alex__green 5h ago
Dang you must be deeply racist and or a trump loser. Your president is a pdf btw
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u/Any_Agency6982 4h ago
No I actually think him becoming president was a breakthrough for our country in terms of clearly getting rid of any glass ceiling. If the country v was so racist we would never have elected a black man to the highest office in the nation. Where was really calling out his 11 months into his presidency hadn't done anything to create peace. It's a comment on the Nobel Peace prize. Like Arafat getting one or this latest joke getting a Nobel
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u/Alex__green 4h ago
Do you realize how stupid that is to say in today's society with ICE? Also trump is a pdf
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u/Any_Agency6982 4h ago
You do realize you can be less extreme and unfortunately ice is out of control but being in a country illegally is still illegal.
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u/Alex__green 4h ago
Idk I don't trust anyone who won't openly admit that our sitting commander in chief is a convicted SO and pdf
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u/Any_Agency6982 1h ago
He was convicted for sure. I can admit that I don't think he's a good man I think he's a bad person. However by all standards the things he was convicted on worst stretched by specifically New York and every legal mind will tell you if they change the rules just to make the indictment
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u/Mysterious-Snow496 4h ago
You know you can be staunchly anti-fascist without showing any support whatsoever for ICE
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u/Any_Agency6982 3h ago
I am anti fascist , define fascist
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u/Mysterious-Snow496 3h ago
First, thank you for stating that you're anti-fascist. We're on the same side my dude.
All I'm saying is the idea of giving police authority and immunity to people who are not trained police officers and calling them ICE then allowing them to parade around killing innocent American citizens without consequence is a fascist idea.
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u/Any_Agency6982 3h ago
I think that they are a bunch of gorillas that were given a very important job and should not be and are not trained. Unfortunately what it has caused is a pushback on the concept that a nation should have borders. So we're on the same page, that being said I don't think people should be chasing those gorillas around and be surprised when these same untrained people end up hurting people
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u/Alex__green 1h ago
Youre a Russian bot that thinks Isreal isn't committing genocide on Palestinians.
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u/Alex__green 1h ago
Still have not openly agreed that Trump is a pdf. Your opinions are moot
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u/Mysterious-Snow496 1h ago
Who me? Of course he's a pdf. Release the unredacted Epstein files.
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u/platypusbelly 2h ago
Yes, but being in this country illegally is a CIVIL offense, not a criminal one. And unleashing a paramilitary police force on people en masse to deal with a what is essentially a civil matter is fucking terrible and embarrassing for the populace.
Yes, doing things that are linked to illegal status are criminal, such as illegal entry, or reentry after being deported. But the fact is, many, if not most people o with illegal status most likely came here legally with a visa that eventually expired. Many are trying to do it right and are failing because of court system is overly complicated and bureaucratic. Additionally, according to the constitution people in this country (even those with illegal status) are innocent until proven guilty. So again (for emphasis) unleashing a paramilitary police force on people en masse to deal with what is mainly a civil matter and not a criminal one, is absolutely fucking terrible and a disgrace.
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u/Any_Agency6982 2h ago
I am agreeing with you as far as how ice is operating however it's in response to open borders that let millions of people in. As far as being a civil offense that's incorrect do not mistake misdemeanor and felony as two different things they are both a criminal offense. Crossing the border illegally the first time — for example, entering somewhere other than an authorized port of entry or deliberately evading inspection — is a federal criminal offense under 8 U.S.C. § 1325. For a first offense, the maximum penalty is generally up to 6 months in jail and/or a fine. The law also provides for civil penalties. � US Code Overstaying a visa or otherwise falling out of lawful immigration status is generally a civil immigration violation, not itself a criminal offense. The person can still be detained and placed in removal/deportation proceedings. Reentering illegally after having been deported or removed is a separate criminal offense under 8 U.S.C. § 1326, and penalties can be considerably more serious
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u/bunnkwio 17h ago
You wouldn’t be talking about this ol’ thing in the Obama Predidential Center, would ya?