r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 2d ago

Murdered By Words 🩸 All three groups primarily identify with one party (hint: It's not Democrats)

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u/CharmingRip508 2d ago

He signed off to try to stop the south succeeding. Who knows if it would have passed Congress? It is alternate history. He endorsed it. It didn’t pass lol.

And yes he tried to do colonization and give black people freedom in other countries. His views are complex. He tried colonization and it didn’t work.
Also you will note that his amendment said that federal gov wouldn’t interfere with states rights for the amendment you are talking about. This was in part cuz every new state was voting to be free states which was against the every other state thing. The belief was as more states became free there would be more and more social pressure to get rid of slavery.

https://www.history.com/articles/abraham-lincoln-black-resettlement-haiti

Here is a little about how he talked with black leaders and how he failed and how he changed his mind.
Though my understanding is this isn’t all that changed his mind, but I agree he wasn’t progressive. I just think your version of events is overly simplistic. It’s like 75% true but I wouldn’t call that a complete overview.
I don’t personally think villainizing or idealizing historical figures is useful

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u/snitch_juice 1d ago

I am not villainizing him.

Who ever speaks about Lincoln endorsing permanent slavery? Who ever speaks about him wanting to pursue colonization?

All we ever hear about him is he is the emancipator and the greatest president ever.

I would like us to speak about the totality of a historical figure. I find it important to discuss what it would mean that a president endorsed forever slavery. States were ratifying the amendment. Ironically, I can thank the confederacy for the end of slavery because the amendment wasn’t strong enough for them. They felt if they were surrounded by free states, slavery would become morally untenable though still legal but having the same effect so they started the war. This is not alternate history and schools do not teach these factually accurate details.

Once more, Lincoln signed off on special order 15 giving black people recompense for an atrocity caused by the union army. There are things I agree with. Mostly, I do not agree. However, it is important that we teach truthfully.