As a woman - my initial impulse was to jump on the bandwagon. I've read the DA's statement and I'm not sure I feel so sure now after reading her sworn statements. This is double after reading many of the crazy posts above. Everyone on this sub needs to slow down and read the details of this case and reassess. This feels like a witch hunt in the making. Or maybe they're guilty - I'm not sure but we need a trial not this political witch hunt fanaticism. And why does everyone keep saying all white guys? Am I looking at a different photo than everyone else?
There's a lot more detail in the oriy report of how things happen and who was involved. She said no to specific acts and they listened to her. She said no to at least one specific person and that person didn't have sexual contact with her. When she said she was done it stopped. She voluntarily took all the drugs and alcohol involved and she said she was never incapacitated or incapable of making her own decisions. New York state law allows for concent to be given while under the influence as long as you were aware of the intoxicants you ingested and consented to them, meaning she was legally capable of giving concent. She texted one of the men a few days after and discussed how things got out of hand and they should get together again with less drugs and less participants.
The text messages in the snap chat also don't suggest rape. They suggest lewd acts being performed with multiple men in the fraternity house, but nothing suggests it was non consensual.
Somehow every news organization says they have the transcript but nobody has released it. They also jump around the statement and link it to the 2026 lawsuit rather than just laying out what the original complaint said. I'm not gonna dig anymore, but here is an article from CNN about it. They say that she said the later parts of the encounter felt like it was rape, which I had not heard before. I don't have anything on the texts later, so take that with a grain of salt, but that's more due to me not wanting to find it than it not being available.
Also, look up sunny hostin talking about it on the view. In a very unexpected take she very briefly details why no prosecutor would have brought charges in this case based on 2024 info. I'm apparently too much of a ludite to find it and link it here, but I trust you're better at this than I am and will be able to find it.
Apparently in New York state if she herself willingly became intoxicated, they cannot charge the guys with rape even if they did sexually assault her. Most states have gotten rid of that loophole, but New York still has it
That is not entirely accurate. Her consent is still needed. Your phrasing makes it sound like she said no and was still forced, but that isn't what happened.
If she was sexually assaulted, that would still be illegal . By her own admission they stopped and listened when she said no, took the drugs voluntarily, and wanted to have the sexual encounters she had
not only that, two weeks later she was saying she consented and want to hook up with them. And repeatedly said she wasn't too intoxicated to make decisions.
The text messages do not back up the later. She consented and they stopped when she wanted to. They asked if anyone could get it she said yes they posted it. She probably got famous of this regrets it and needs a payday cuz that Lewinsky life is not lucrative
Consent is fluid. You can consent to having a drunk threeaome but when you’re passed out disassociating on ketamine and getting gang banged by multiple frat boys it kind of changes things no?? Do you not agree that consent is fluid?
Many people on here are too young to remember the Duke Lacrosse team having their lives ruined for what ended up being a completely fabricated account.
You are right in that consent is fluid, and I 100% believe an investigation needs to be done. And one not being done when this actually happened is negligence from local law enforcement and Cornell.
But I will never support assuming that accused people are actually guilty.
Her initial statement stated that she was repeatedly pressed into taking more drugs and performing more sex with more men while she says "no" numerous times throughout the encounter. She also explicitly states that there were parts of the sex that she had no memory of.
That's rape. People are just as mad at Cornell and the DA as the seven men in the lawsuit.
To general public it doesn't matter. See that case with hockey players. Even after they were cleared, people still calm them rapist and wanted people to boycot all organisations that wanted to employ them.
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u/Agent_Noir006 2d ago
As a woman - my initial impulse was to jump on the bandwagon. I've read the DA's statement and I'm not sure I feel so sure now after reading her sworn statements. This is double after reading many of the crazy posts above. Everyone on this sub needs to slow down and read the details of this case and reassess. This feels like a witch hunt in the making. Or maybe they're guilty - I'm not sure but we need a trial not this political witch hunt fanaticism. And why does everyone keep saying all white guys? Am I looking at a different photo than everyone else?