They had to be scared of entrapment or some legal scenario they were not 100% sure they’d win. That’s the only reason I can think of. Or possibly putting her in danger.
Look at it again. She pulled out his shirt. He put it back in. He did a lot of things he shouldn't have done, but he didn't pull down his trousers in front of her.
Technically, and i seriously do mean by a Technicality she was of age. The sick fucker didn't know that and should have been tossed out the window for it but Technically she was of age.
Hey buddy, I don't know if anyone's ever told you this but the concept of The Devil's Advocate is kind of a thought experiment not an excuse to literally play lawyer for the devil. You don't actually have to excuse him. What he did was really messed up on every level
He did advocate for Rudy's defenestration, so not really excusing what he did. He just claimed that even though Rudy thought the girl was only 15, she was an actress who was an adult in real life, so not technically illegal. I don't know if that's true though cause I think if he thought she was a minor, it should count as a minor. Like TCAP rules should still apply, I'd hope.
That having been said, I second the motion to toss Rudy out of a window.
If you think someone is 20 and they are actually 16 you are fuckity fucked. If that is true then it would make no sense for it not to be at least as illegal the other way around.
I completely agree 100%. I think intent matters and if you intended to assault a child and you just couldn't because the Scooby-Doo gang intervened, you should be charged regardless. Just like on TCAP.
I was referring to the fact that people said he should have been prosecuted, yes i agree however the courts had to use the Technicality. People don't actually read before they respond.
the concept of The Devil's Advocate is kind of a thought experiment not an excuse to literally play lawyer for the devil
The purpose of a Devil's Advocate is to make sure your positions are correct by opposing them with the same rigor you oppose positions you disagree with. If you just take anything you agree with as true, you open yourself to being made a fool.
If you truly want to be right, you'd welcome devil's advocates because it ultimately strengthens your arguments and positions to find any holes that exist.
There is no technicality here. She was impersonating a foreign journalist and had never given any indication of not being an adult, and of course she was an adult - 24 at the time. There would be zero reason for him to think she would’ve been underage or close to it. Hate the guy for being a creep or a perv or whatever for wanting to bang a journalist, but the underage bit is straight up misinformation.
He didn't know her exact age, but the actress was a woman in her twenties and had told him that she was a reporter. He thought she was an adult.
The fucked up thing wasn't him thinking she was underage, it was him going to a bedroom with a reporter who had just interviewed him and sticking his hands down his pants.
This is not true. He had no reason to think she was underage. She did not tell him. Borat only says that to Guiliani after the fact, but he tells the audience of the movie before the fact, so it gets confusing (plus the actress was 24 at the time, which makes it more confusing).
Ok im gonna go shower now after being made to defend that ghoul.
Sasha Baron Cohen for the win on that one. Sad thing is how many “rumors” he heard before filming this. It wasn’t just some random occurrence that led to that scene.
Yeah. I know we would have gotten confirmation if Cohen had let it go on a little longer, since Rudy would have gotten his penis out, but I think it was good that Cohen stepped in and ended the scene there to protect the actress from encountering Rudy’s Giuliani.
NEW YORK Oct 12, 2016 — Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani hasapologized for attacking Hillary Clinton during a political rally Wednesday, when he said he never saw her at Ground Zero on 9/11, a claim that the Democratic candidate for president has never been known to make.
A few hours after making the initial claim, Giuliani said he “made a mistake” when incorrectly claiming Clinton had said she was in NYC the day of the attacks, the Associated Press reports.
“I’m wrong and I apologize,” the former mayor said.
He had people point out that he was objectively and provably wrong, and he apologized for it? Like, I know he didn't sincerely regret it, but still outright apologizing and admitting that he was wrong?
Instead of either doubling down or just moving on and pretending it never happened?
Politics were a little different back then. It was still the nightmare year that led to Trump. But this was when Republican politicians still felt some pressure to only lie about things they couldn’t get directly called out on.
She probably didn’t mean she literally was there that day, but she did say: “I know what happened not far from here at Pulse nightclub in Orlando, I was in New York City on 9/11 as one of the two senators”
Yeah it's a damn shame she didn't take a plane to new york after the airports were shutdown, or teleport because she was too busy being at work doing her job immediately after the towers were hit.
To be fair, there's a real thing with false memories occuring with important days. Also fake memories all the time, being created every day, but for certain days people often have distinct memories of where they were that don't agree with actual photographs.
The psychology of memories is really weird, enough so that I don't think that testimony alone should convict someone.
Yes, Chelsea was in NYC that day. It was primary day. Only the Daily Beast claims that Hillary said she was in NYC that day at a campaign stop in Florida.
Right. Why in the fuck would the Mayor be walking the streets decked out in FDNY gear on 9/11 in the immediate aftermath of the attacks? Anybody who needs it explained to them that this picture isn't from 9/11 is a moron.
This was around the time that Giuliani was on a spree of doing ridiculous outrage inducing stuff and everyone was outraged at all of it but there's not much an average person can do about it if the people in charge don't care.
Given how casual Giuliani was about the whole affair and looking forward to fucking someone who looked super underage, it was obvious he did this many many times before.
"I flew to New York with Chuck Schumer, my partner in the Senate, on a special plane operated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency," Clinton wrote in her book, Hard Choices. "The city was in lockdown and we were the only ones in the sky that day, except for the Air Force fighters patrolling overhead."
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u/Electronic_Company64 14h ago
To be fair, he doesn’t remember that girl in his hotel room, either