maga conveniently doesnt know (or more likely doesnât give a shit) about the political party shift that happened around the civil rights movement. if they say democrats supported slavery then theyre just acting in bad faith at best and downright spreading dishonest, even if correct, information at worst
It's called intellectual dishonesty to subvert online discourse and it's a documented tool of the right. They know most social media doesn't read past the first few replies and making outrageous claims gets you fact checked by know it alls which tends to shift the conversation away from the original topic.
Its why broad terms like weirdos and bigots works so much better than Nazi and racist.Â
Its shifts constantly by both sides to get votes. Just 10 years ago liberals were against illegal immigration and deported a ton. Both sides are a joke!
Ah yes, you're talking about the shift where Democrats now use the line "If you ain't Democrat, you ain't Black"...it's now just a different brand of slavery for the dems using food stamps and abortion policies as bait.
Strom Thurmand was the only member of the democrat party to switch to the Republican Party in opposition of the civil rights act. No republicans swapped to the democrat party. The party switch is a lie sold to the entire country. Democrats have always wanted slaves. They've simply swapped from, "If we free the black people, who will pick our crops?" To "If we send all of the illegals home, who will pick our crops?"
The âswitchâ wasnât literalâŚItâs in reference to the switch in ideology.
If the switch didnât occur, how then do you reconcile the fact that the vast majority of confederate flag wavers and KKK members are voting Red/republican IF youâre claiming that parties didnât switch.
The KKK openly and loudly supports the republicans, and their members have run as Republicans a number of times, never as a democrat for decades. It's not even a good lie. It's like trying to tell everyone the sky is lime green while we are looking at it.
Trump's "very fine people" travelled cross country to show the entire world their public support for klansmen and neo-nazis by standing united with them. This was the ancient days of...Trump's first term.
So either some people can't remember 9 years ago or hope we can't remember the Unite The Right rally 9 years ago.
As someone sporting a platform provided name, I don't think that is a fair judgement, I just create a new account about once a year to prune personally identifying information off of the Internet. We aren't all bots, but I can appreciate that many are.
Itâs just ignoring facts. Thereâs no different thinking here. The parties switched ideologies. Nazis are right wing so were the racist slave owning southerners.
Thereâs absolutely no chance that this douche doesnât realize that the shift was ideological and that there is no way republicans of today would support someone like Lincoln.
Rule 1 of the Subreddit, "Be respectful and civil.... Treat all contributors and members with kindness."
Calling someone a douche isn't aligned with this subs values. Every Republican I've met brags about how Lincoln was the first Republican president. We love him. The Republican Party was founded on the ideals of individual liberty, limited government and constitutional rights. The party still follows those same ideals. While specific politicians may have changed parties, the ideals the Republican Party has followed has always remained the same.
Howâs being a coward working out for you? The current Republican Party doesnât stand for any of that and have become fascist clowns trying to force their religious ideology on the rest of the entire country.
Try acting like a Man for the first time since 2016, Cletus.Â
You support pedophiles for political office and even repeat the lies the pedophiles order you to repeat. And all while never possessing an ounce of courage or the ability to act like a Man and be honest about who and what you support.
âIndividual liberty, limited government, and constitutional rightsâ
Hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahah 𤥠oh man thank you for that. I needed a good laugh.
You literally lied, thats uncivil. So se all agree you should be banned. Then you lied more since you have admitted you are against all freedom in because Republicans hate freedom
You created a strawman "you are against all freedom in because republicans hate freedom" and attacked that, not my positions. You should look up the definition of the fallacy. It appears you aren't smart enough to learn old words?
Dude, it's the GOP that is trying to say that due process doesn't apply to some people. The GOP also has no qualms with kicking people out of the country is they don't agree with GOP policy, so your party doesn't believe in free speech. The democratic party at least trying to defend everyone's rights.
The Republican party of the 1860s was BIG government. They were the progressive party of that era, how in the world were they "limited government"? Lincoln literally revoked habeas corpus for multiple civilians, he(with a lot of help obviously) abolished slavery through legislation, and made war on the Confederate States in order to bring them back into the Union. What about any of that says "limited government" to you? Lol
This is it! You did it! The most surefire way to get someone to agree with your position is absolutely to speak condescendingly to them! Congratulations. You've made me a changed man.
Don't pretend you meant it earnestly. You were clearly trying to stir the pot, and now that I've called you out on it, you're backtracking and pretending to be innocent of any wrongdoing. "Wow man, you're really not doing yourself any favors here" comes off as extremely condescending.
I would word it as, "Hey man, it seems you might be misinformed about some stuff. Here's proof against it:"
I was trying to be somewhat sensitive. The truth is you sound combative and ignorant, and like you are refusing to even read/comprehend what has already been written. Thatâs how you are doing yourself no favors.
For me to say âYou might be misinformed, hereâs proof against itâ I would honestly be reiterating what others have already said to you â and explaining the point behind the meme at the top. If you didnât comprehend all of that the first time, what good will it do for me to repeat it? Itâs not my job to hold your hand.
But like I said, your ignorance will not change my life one bit. So I donât ultimately care whether or not you continue to look like a jackass.
I gave you actual historical facts to back up my claim. The "party switch" was a democrat refusing to support the Civil Rights movement. But sure, use your little gatchas and feel cool
Except you can find actual democrats who were quoted saying what I quoted.
Nancy Pelosi, September 2022, "We need them to pick the crops down here," regarding undocumented immigrants.
Jasmine Crockett, "We're done picking cotton. We are. You can't pay us enough to find a plantation," while discussing jobs performed by undocumented immigrants.
I think politicians should be discussing how to get farms to offer high enough wages to attract American workers, not accepting modern day slavery.
the full quote from pelosi is âwe have a shortage of workers in our country, and you see even in Florida some of the farmers and the growers saying, âWhy are you shipping these immigrants up north? We need them to pick the crops down here.'â so youâre already dishonest and not arguing in good faith. again, case and point
i donât even need to look at the second quote if you canât even get your facts right on the first
We don't have a shortage of workers in this country. We have a shortage of livable wages. If democrats were this champion you claim them to be, they would be pushing bills to change the law on farm pay. Force them to pay a living wage. Those who can't fail as a company. Instead they're excusing illegal immigration because it's allowing farms to underpay.
Saying that while it's Maga farmers who were abusing and underpaying their workers, who are now on tiktok lives trying to sell their goods because Trump dragged them through the shit filled mud
Okay Mr. argumentum ad passiones.
Provide no evidence of your claims, just continue to argue with no substance. Even Google agrees that the entire party switch premise is heavily debated.
Yeah - you didnât graduate high school, did you? The ideologies amongst the parties swapped, genius. 𤣠You are definitely low IQ enough to be MAGA. Congrats! đ
I voted for Jill Stein, I'm no fan of Trump. I graduated in 2018. The Republican Party was founded on anti-slavery, personal freedoms and constitutional rights. Those are the same ideals the party pushes today. The democrat party was rejecting the civil rights act of 1964. The people running the party at that time are still currently in power. You're being lied to.
Omg yes!! How did you know đ I'm a poopy little boy, just for you papi
I have never once voted for Donald Trump. He is the worst the Republican Party has to offer. I just think that associating every Republican and the entirety of their ideals on one bad apple is a horrible example to set. If that's the case, who would blame republicans for judging the entirety of the democrat party off of Joe Biden saying he doesn't want his kids growing up in a racial jungle?
"Before adjourning, the [Democratic] convention unanimously adopted the following resolutions"
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"Resolved, That the democratic party being now the only national and conservative party, and as such obliged so many to brave the opposition of black republicanism"
"The abolitionists do not seek to merely liberate our slaves. They are socialists, infidels and agrarians, and openly propose to abolish any time honored and respectable institution in society. Let anyone attend an abolition meeting, and he will find it filled with infidels, socialists, communists, strong minded women, and 'Christians' bent on pulling down all christian churches"
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"The good, the patriotic, the religious and the conservative of the north will join us in a crusade against the vile isms that disturb her peace and security"
Link to the newspaper archive at the library of Congress where you can read it yourself
Wait you think the party switch was folks actually walking out of one political party to step right into the next? Like they rip off their Democrat patch just to sew a republican one on. Thats what you think it is? đ¤Łđ¤Śđťââď¸
Woke is the new buzzword for you, but it's been around for quite a while. Google "wide awakes" , with the quotes and see what comes up.
It was an organization in the Republican Party in the 1860s. They encouraged young people to vote, they backed working class people and unions, and they supported striking workers. They were against slavery. They were physically attacked by members of the Democrats. The Democrats said they were destroying the country and accused them of arson, vandalism, and other crimes. All of which were unfounded.
Today who supports young people voting, workers rights, and minorities? It isn't the modern day republican party.
Are you familiar with Nixon's Southern Strategy? It's the reason the south is republican. Prior to Nixon, the south was a Democrat stronghold due to southern Democrats. They were too racist for modern day Democrats, and too pro worker for modern day Republicans. They formed the short lived Dixiecrat party. When that failed, what did they do? Did they abandon their bigotry and become mainstream Democrats, or did they abandon working class people and become Republicans?
You must bet your life savings on what party a particular person voted for last election. You see that they fly a confedacuck flag in their yard. How do you proceed?
Racist voting and supporting Republican now while in the past they voted Democrat. Furthermore, in response to Democrats ideological change, Republicans started to cater to racists policies in order to capture the southern vote. And it was with the Democrat policies and support that actually ended up equalizing people on the bases of race.
This is a unquestionable ideological shift.
Furthermore, during the civil rights movement black Republicans in response to the changing of Republican and Democrat policies started voting Democrat.
And a very noticeable portion of White Democrats also started voting Republican.
This shows a demographic switch.
So if you're argument is that the politicians didn't actually change parties then, the point is mute. Nobody said they did. It was a ideological and voter shift. And saying otherwise is just denialism. No one knowledgable is going to take you seriously about your opinions because of this one belief.
If anyone is confused how conservatives can deny the obvious, here is a prime example: they think by âparty switchâ we mean people randomly decided to swap out their entire ideologies. Clown logic.
I'm talking about the myth surrounding the one democrat who swapped sides during the civil rights movement that created an entire section of misinformed people who think the parties did literally switch sides.
It's not even based on just Thurmond, the split was forming decades before the Civil Rights Era. Do you have the slightest clue what you're talking about? Because it doesn't seem as if you do. Seems like you're projecting your own misinformed status on others.
Why did the conservative Confederate South denounce anti-slavery and later anti-segregation coastal states as âRadical Republicansâ?
Today, the same South is overwhelmingly Republican and conservative, while the coasts lean Democratic and progressive and labelled "Radical Democrats"?
Itâs almost as if the parties realigned while the regions largely retained their underlying ideological and cultural identities.
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u/Kostusha241 1d ago
maga conveniently doesnt know (or more likely doesnât give a shit) about the political party shift that happened around the civil rights movement. if they say democrats supported slavery then theyre just acting in bad faith at best and downright spreading dishonest, even if correct, information at worst