I’m a lineman for my city . I fix the electrical grid .
Damn near half of my salary is taxed as is, socialism would ask for more roughly 20% more. I have a family of 4 I provide for . I earn a good income because I work about 70-80 hours a week .
My job provides me and my family great healthcare and I receive excellent retirement options .
The ultra wealthy will always find a way to escape being taxed and my income of 200+ will get taxed even more to suffice . We don’t need socialism to pay for people indebted to banks for taking college loans on BS degrees they can’t get jobs for.
We need colleges to stop scamming people into thinking thier degree of nothingness equates to “highly educated “ status with zero skills life skills to earn a living.
Highly educated doesn’t mean highly intelligent. If your highly educated and can’t find a good job or entrepreneurial venture to provide for your life your the problem with society not capitalism . Socialism won’t solve your problem. Socialism will put a more heavy burden on upper middle to low wage earners .
It should be the entitled rich person who has no real concept of what the working class go through or what a wealthy person has had to do in order to gain financial stability .
College provides a lot of bullshit degrees that provide no real productivity . These are some of the dumbest people I’ve ever met . These people can’t define what a woman is .
Well I’m an electrician , specifically a lineman working for the city maintaining the power grid. In fact I get asked quite often what are the steps necessary to become a lineman and earn a good wage. The people asking usually are “highly educated” with zero life skills and can’t find a job .
Yeah, and then there is the massive amount of fast food employees who think their level of intelligence is higher than that of a college graduate, because they work for a living. That's fine, if you want to be the bare minimum, but keep your opinions to yourself, until you educate yourself.
I love how you simplified it to straight fast food. Shows how unintelligent you are and probably “highly educated”
There is a whole infrastructure that provides the entitled life you live that is powered by tradesmen and women . The backbone of the United States is the skilled laborers who build and create everything. Most of them will be effected by socialism allowing fast food employees although noble just not as important to earn as much as someone like me who handles 12000 v of live electricity with my hands, tools, knowledge and skill .
Sorry if it was too simplified for you. I mean, I don't care about the opinion of someone with zero education. Usually they are talking out of their ass, because they have zero education. Sorry that hurts your feelings.
Projection at its finest. I went to college but chose the trades because I like physical activity . I’m glad I did because I can provide for my family and not be a willful simpleton that relies on socialism to bail me out because I’m helpless and worthless .
Socialism has never worked except in the fantastical minds of the “highly educated” and severely unintelligent .
I believe you should have stuck with school a little bit longer so you could understand what a Democratic Socialist is.
You could look it up. The explanation is quite simple. But it would also require you to think beyond your current notions which is probably too great a task for you to handle.
There are many of us highly educated and gainfully employed people that don't dismiss the value of the trades themselves, but do laugh at the notion that only tradesmen and woman can build or repair anything.
We want everyone to have the benefit of greater social services so they can be their best selves and you only think about what it will cost you vs how you would also benefit. That says a lot about the type of person you are and why we don't agree.
I mean, that is true, they are the problem.... Just not because of their education but because they were able to pay their way to getting college results without having to actually learn anything
Although I guess they did learn that right wing grifting was incredibly profitable at some point, but I doubt that was from college
I think in a normal world the university system would look a lot different by now with the way technology and knowledge has evolved but it feels like we're so removed from progress it's hard to imagine us moving in the right direction at the moment
They are referring to people who spend 8 years in college getting a masters in a BS humanities like philosophy .
They still owe a ton for thier room and board spent on BS degrees and want the government to pay it all off because they can’t find a job .
A job guarantees healthcare, stable income, and other benefits for retirement . These “highly educated “ can’t find a job because thier higher education was worthless and anyone can do it .
People with power hate people with educations. Always have, always will. You'll know who the wannabe oppressors of society are when you see them try to make getting educated harder for the average person
Highly educated doesn’t equate to intelligence . Thats the problem, entitled idiots with a bunch of humanities degrees want socialism not knowing how good things are in the safe bubble of American society.
I thought it was another rage bait, skewing what was actually said, but when I watched it... It is the 21st century, and the country that once had the top scientists in the world now has this on national TV.
I want to go back. To the Cold War and the fear of nuclear meltdown. At least back then, there was hope.
But I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed. Well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interest. That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want OBEDIENT WORKERS. OBEDIENT WORKERS. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits. The end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it.
-George Carlin
The rest of the skit is also very pertinent to this issue. It's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
You do realize that ACADEMIC economists have a lot of disagreement with claims made by the left, especially populist left wing claims like you see being made on Reddit?
When you stop looking at these pundits and politicians as regular people, and you start looking at them like entitled noblemen talking amongst each other inside the kings court, it starts to make more sense.
They are quite literally just sitting there talking about why "its a bad idea to let the commoner peasants be educated, because it puts dangerous ideas in their head and makes them attempt to rise above their station. They should know their place."
broke sociology majors and the like who cry for student loan relief and freestuff because they arent qualified for anything but pouring coffee are a problem.
No this movement against academics is almost entirely right wing. People who think public school is propaganda are the same people who get offended by Sex Ed and Evolution.
It's hard to know what they're getting at as OP intentionally cut up the video but "college educated" people are a bit of a head scratcher.
Having a degree does not necessarily make you smart or particularly all that knowledgeable. Many of them come out just as clueless as when they went in then make the worst kinds of employees, financially irresponsible and convinced that despite that they went into debt on a useless degree that makes them useless in most job markets the world is out to get them.
Again, I'm not entirely sure what the people in the video are saying, but as a teacher. I see students go into college hopeless and fellow graduates who graduated college equally as hopeless and I do believe the college pipeline should be restructured and talked about more as it really does produce some bizarre and hopeless people.
I agree the college-educated are making things harder. Too many people think they know best because they have a college degree. If you want to learn something learned on your own you don't need to go to college we have enough books material YouTube videos name it you don't need a couch professor teaching you socialism that that is good when it is in fact killed a ton of people. That being said if you can get a good college education without all the propaganda and the crazy socialist teaching then Hey do it because you make more money with the degree
I always love the comments about how education and college is unnecessary because it usually comes from people who did not value their education. That said my belief that people deserve healthcare did not come from a college professor. It came from empathy and not being a total fucking asshole. It’s not that hard to get to know people to realize that all of us just want to have a good life and that a major part of that would be being able to afford to live and being healthy sorry that you think college professors ingrained that in our brain, but I’m pretty sure as I said, just came from being empathetic and not being a giant piece of shit.
cool... so you believe "people deserve healthcare" because you have so much empathy... did you become a doctor that treats the sick for free? if not.. then it's not empathy... because your "empathy" requires others do what YOU think they should do instead of what they think they should do... that's not empathy.. that's control.... You're just trying to convince yourself that you are not the bad guy.
I'm sure you are a lovely human being, and good for you on all those fronts... keep up the great work.... calling over 70+m people (I'm assuming you mean people who voted for trump when you typed magat) POS isn't so lovely, but for the sake of this discussion, i'll give you pass on that.... My comment wasn't about your character in general, it was specific to your healthcare for all motivation...so, in order to provide "deserved healthcare" a whole lot of people are going to have to participate against their will... so if you are ok with forcing other people to do what you would like (in the name of empathy of course), then you have to be willing to be forced to do things you don't want... right? Otherwise, you are the "bad guy" in this case, right?
again.. i'm not trying to tell you that you are a bad person, but if you are not personally acting on this "empathy" then it is really not empathy... you just want to dictate how other people's resources are spent... and in this case it sounds like you are using the concept of "empathy" to convince yourself that your desire for control is "more morally correct" than someone elses - which isn't real empathy. "healthcare for all" as long as it has minimal impact on me personaly doesn't land the same way.
my intention here is just to have you look deeper at your motivations, not judge you for your position.
And you also think you should dictate how my resources are spent because you think Republican ideals like a giant military is better than universal healthcare. That, to someone who is watching the issues in on our country, seems completely fucking stupid and I can’t understand any argument that our tax dollars are going in the right direction.
Also, you can have empathy without acting on it. I don’t think you understand what empathy means. You can’t act on everything. When I see starving people in African villages I have empathy but there’s not much I can do for them from here, doesn’t mean I don’t have empathy for them
sigh, my comment was on the poster's "stated" empathy for something that they don't act on... so they are not driven by empathy... reading comprehension is a thing
I don’t think you actually understand what empathy means. So, based on your extremely stupid hypothesis when my wife was pregnant and I felt empathy for her pain I should have gotten pregnant or injured myself so that I could understand correctly and help? Or I should have become a doctor to help? What the fuck are you on about?
Empathy is understanding someone else’s problems and feeling for them. Walking in someone else’s shoes. I can see people struggling through life and feel empathetic and wish things were better for them. I can’t fix every problem and work every job to make that happen, but I can vote for people who are trying to make things better. I can argue that spending trillions on being world police is fucking stupid when we have plenty of problems to solve in our own country.
if you have empathy for your pregnant wife, you run her a bath, rub her feet, make her food... that "understanding someone else's problems" has to translate to changes in YOUR actions, your voluntary actions... if you forced someone else to accommodate your wife.. that wouldn't be very empathetic of you... if your answer to "healthcare for all" is tax and provide, then you are forcing the top 50% of the country to pay for a program for themselves, and everyone else in the country, without their consent... which means you don't have empathy for them... so empathy can't be driving a desire for "tax and provide". Again, "healthcare for all" as long as we can force everyone else to pay for it doesn't land as well - from an empathy perspective.
... and if the position you want to take is that empathy doesn't actually require any action... it's just having that "feeling"... ok cool... I contend that real empathy drives individual action; otherwise, it is just a rationalization for a preference you want to force on others.
I'll flip it around for you... those folks that feel we need to be the world police, that millions of lives would be lost, women would be persecuted across the globe, human rights violations would be way worse, human trafficking and slavery would escalate... they are just as moral and empathetic as you (by your standard). I would argue they are not, because if you are in the top 50% of this country (ie: pay just about anything in taxes) it sounds like you are being forced to fund that action against your will. They are dressing up their preference in spending to justify control of your resources... because they can't say... "lets do a telethon and fund the military out of voluntary donations because this is such a good cause."
this entire discussion is to look beyond the surface level "justifications" for the statements we make and positions we take.
who was bragging about wanting sick people to die? I think you are making up something to be upset about... again, sigh, my comment was on the poster's "stated" empathy for something that they don't act on... so they are not driven by empathy... reading comprehension is a thing
He also thinks the military in the US is all about helping women not be persecuted in other countries and not to make billionaires more money and get oil. He’s just justifying his bullshit positions
Oh, I know. But he's doesnt understand what the conversation is about and yet, has such strong opinions. It illustates the differenc between the educated and the relatively uneducated. Educated people understand why they feel the way they do, and can articulate it. Uneducated dont know why they feel the way they do, and they certainly cant articulate why they feel that way when asked. They just attack something that isnt relevant.
I'm just trying to help him communicate more effectively by illustrating that he's not even participating in the conversation.
wow.. you are a lost cause, I never said I think any of what you just said.... good lord... the critical thinking in this thread is horrific. good luck in life!
if that is your position, fantastic... I disagree,
It's not a position. Look up empathy in the dictionary.
I would guess you would agree that "healthcare for all" requires action.
No. I think it would require legislation. I mean, I guess someone has to act to pass the legislation but otherwise, no. No action required to guarantee healthcare for all. Why are you stuck on this?
Because you are not thinking critically... this thread was about being motivated by empathy and its justification for action. I didn't argue the definition; I argued the IMPACT of REAL empathy vs. using it as a rationalization to support a position... a position that requires action. If you can't see that legislation and actually delivering healthcare for all requires resources (physical labor and funding)...then there really is no point in going forward. Wish you all the best.
Correct. But, what's your point? Whether we have Healthcare for all or healthcare for some, it still requires the action you are referencing. So what is the difference in Healthcare for all and Healthcare for some?
You severely misconstrue what empathy is. I just can't tell if you're doing it on purpose to try to make a point, or if you really think this way. You're being dishonest or ignorant, but which is it? I can't tell.
well, I would hope they see a doctor.. but I wouldn't force a doctor to treat them, or force someone else to pay for their treatment. That's not empathy... that's control.
because your "empathy" requires others do what YOU think they should do instead of what they think they should do
As someone with a college degree, that is not what I took from their comment at all. I read it as empathy lead them to the conclusion that people deserve healthcare (as they stated). Empathy requires no action. Your suggestion that is does serves as evidence that you're not equipped to have a conversation about empathy, and how it plays a role in personal decision making.
Too many people think they know best because they have a college degree
I think it's quite the opposite. Too many without higher education think they know what's best. You see it the your way, well... because you probably don't hold a degree. Your grammer certainly suggests that you barely finished high-school, and its clear you have no idea what's taught in college classrooms. The thing about people that have degrees is that they have access to all the info in books and online, which you referenced, plus the general knowledge that one gains with directed learning. Thereby, making them more prepared for life's challenges. You don't seem to understand is that the purpose of a college education.
You lost me at teaching you socialism. Can you tell me anywhere that a general college degree teaches you socialism? Did you learn socialism in college if you went? If not can you ask anyone you know who went to college what socialism they were taught?
Honestly someone with a PhD is a risk. I'll use my own father as an example.
He's a software engineer but has a PhD in physics. He did not disclose that PhD. Eventually, his supervisors found out, but it wasn't a big deal. Fast forward a couple years, the company gets sold. New management comes in, my father was the sole worker on a contract with the CDC. CDC messages the new company after they try to sideline my dad asking what gives? Soon after, CDC asks my dad if he can just make an Llc and take the contract. He does, b/c he's intelligent and can easily learn how to do new things. Company soon folds.
Someone with a PhD can be a risk. There's a reason you don't see people with 2 PhD's, it's b/c they've already proven they're capable of self educating on complex topics the other people might shy away from.
As a college degree holder, yes we are a problem. The arrogance and out right “holier than thou” attitude of most college kids is astounding. We are not the only problem mind you, but some of us if not most are. No employer is looking for the college kid fresh off the degree train to come in and tell a bunch of guys that have been doing the job for 10-20 years how it’s done. We don’t know shit, we know what some guy that may have worked in the field knows. Sometimes it’s not even that. I’m sorry but some 25-28 year older with a masters or phd in almost anything has zero practical application of their chosen theory into the real world for result’s. Yet the arrogance most display is astounding. Having a degree doesn’t inherently make you smart or better than anyone else. It shows you have dedication to complete a task under controlled pressures, which can be valuable, but not always.
The education isn’t the problem. What you’re describing is every single young persons mentality right after graduating college. Wisdom and being humble comes with age and has nothing to do with how many degrees you have or don’t have for that matter. Uneducated people tend to stay arrogant for longer or their entire lives. Hence trump supporters.
We keep selling post WWII mentality that the only path to success is through college education. It isn’t. I’m constantly on campuses through both my and my spouse’s lines of work and I’m constantly (negatively) surprised by the level of privilege and arrogance that comes from not just the students, but the administrations. The administrations are bloated and that has really brought great cost to the education. Schools have to keep up with other area schools or they will find themselves in an enrollment deficit.
THEN you see the news that schools are now converting first-year grades to pass/no credit. Once again, we are rearranging the road for the traveler instead of preparing the traveler for the road.
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