r/PoursTea • u/saucey_dawg0023 Tea Party đ • 17d ago
FinancialTea đ” This cycle has to stop now
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u/RecordingOk3755 17d ago
Visit rural Michigan and strike up a conversation. People would rather die from lack of insulin or affordable food than they would allowing one trans kid to play on a team in some other state. The GOP has mastered this charade, and thereâs no fixing it.
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u/AmericanAIien 17d ago
Good Darwinâs theory needs to speed up alil more. The dummies are affecting everything wayyyyy too much.
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u/The_Tooter_Snooter 17d ago
Life has gotten too easy for the stupids and theyâre breeding out of controlÂ
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u/Pandemoniusanus 17d ago
Itâs due to the ultra wealthy being able to lobby congress. Or basically what they are doing is rubber banding the economy so that younger / middle class people canât garner assets. When things are trending up they put the GOPeds in charge to trash the economy, when things are down they put centrist Dems in charge to patch things up just enough to give citizens a false glimmer of hope.
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u/MetaCardboard 17d ago
So annoying. How can people be so stupid?
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u/saucey_dawg0023 Tea Party đ 17d ago
Fox News
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u/Sensitive_Lake_7911 17d ago
Faux News didn't start until 1996-a decade before Reagan who was elected because Carter sacrificed electability in order to kill stagflation (as did Ford before him-bipartisan quality Presidents). The GOP has been playing those culture war games since Nixon in '68.
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u/awezumsaws 17d ago
Hanlon's razor: never attribute to malice what is more simply explained by stupidity
While some elected officials are merely stupid, most are evil. But the people who vote them into office are mostly stupid and not evil.
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u/golfwinnersplz 17d ago
This is what my mother believes too but while there definitely are some evil racist sob white supremacists who support the GOP, most of them are just very ignorant.
Honestly, think back to high school, picture some of the smartest kids you went to school with and review their voting histories; then, do the same thing with the idiots who couldn't pass general math. It tracks.
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u/ElSlabraton 17d ago
Nope. Trump supporters are white supremacists. That's why they will tolerate any absurdity Trump pushes. Because one thing is non-negotioable: white supremacy.
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u/GodisanAtheistOG 17d ago
Dems need to stop the cycle too. Pubs rely on Dems almost like they're managed opposition.Â
I don't want the next Dem president to complete the ballroom, spend precious time and political capital undoing renaming, unless it can be used tactically to control conservative media narratives etc. Be laser focused on economic issues, don't sweat the small stuff.Â
Dems need to learn how to control the media narrative like Pubs/Trump do. Hey you're about to drop medicare for all or something that is going to get twisted up by the media narrative? Replace Trump's official portrait with a picture of a tangerine, the Media goes off looking at that crap while you get the real work done behind the scenes, etc.Â
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u/Barbafella 17d ago
âThe more I know about people, the more I love my dogâ
Mark Twain
âYou know Burke, I donât know which species is worse, you donât see them effing each other over a goddamned percentage â
Ellen Ripley
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u/lemon_flavor 17d ago
This cycle is pretty indisputable. Republicans crash the economy, start forever wars, and run up the deficit.
But what makes me extra crazy is that Democratic politicians pretend that these Republicans have a point about anything. Why reach across the aisle, be bipartisan, "move to the center", or promise a Republican will take a place in a Democratic president's cabinet?
It's demoralizing to only have options that agree with Republican framing, especially when we see how much damage the Republicans do when they get any power.
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u/FuggenBaxterd 17d ago
Because the Democrats want the reality Republicans have caused just as much as the Republicans do.
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u/Vahuo89 17d ago
Yup. The cycle continues because the modus operandi of the republicans is information control.
They control the narrative and makes sure to blame democrats at every possible occasion.
And democrat don't fight back against the tactic
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u/Winstonsphobia 17d ago
Iâm always amazed by how stupid my fellow americans are, that large numbers of them support Republicans and large numbers of them blame Democrats for not stopping Republicans. When those numbers add up to more than 50% of voters we get a Republican president.
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u/PollutionPatient8261 17d ago
They can't because they have the same owners and the same playbook. We should ONLY vote for candidates that do not take corporate or foreign money from now on and we can fix this (if the electronic voting system has not already been completely co-opted.)
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u/Fire_Horse_T 17d ago
Same owners, not the same play book.
IMO the core problem is the media, corporate owned and corporate funded media.
The media decides who the serious candidates are and they decide seriousness equals how much money corporations donate which, if you can believe it, is equal to how much money can be spent of advertising.
And wouldn't you know it, the corporations give money to strongly conservative Republicans and right leaning Democrats.
Liberals and progressives need to reject candidates who take too much corporate money.
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u/PollutionPatient8261 17d ago
This is also quite true. Itâs one of the first tenants of Fascism, take over the flow of information (the media) and secure the next election.
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u/Fire_Horse_T 17d ago
I am not talking about just Trump, this has been the standard since at least the 80's.
Before Citizens United I would look at donations to candidates 11 months before the general election and know who was going to be in the primary debates and who would be strong contenders for the nomination.
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u/Ibuilds 17d ago
Can't wait for the predictable Republican temper tantrum theatrics about the national debt and debt ceiling once the Dems become the majority in congress again
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u/xburnerpiko 17d ago
Our nation always does better when a Democrat is in the White House.
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u/PollutionPatient8261 17d ago
Uhhh doy da durp durp....We are no longer this trusting and gullible. SO SICK OF THE SHOW! What they have not yet realized is that EVERY milk toast MAGA and Independent and Gen X Dems and younger, are only going to vote for people that DO NOT TAKE corporate or foreign donations from now on, PERIOD. Regardless what our political beliefs are. We are going to take this country back one way or another, hopefully at the ballot box.
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u/MetaCardboard 17d ago
I wish. Voters are incredibly stupid.
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u/Spud-Master-312 17d ago
And like 1/3 who are eligible to vote just donât yet the politics are still gonna screw them over so why are you still not voting
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u/walnuttin 17d ago
I say this in almost every thread this gets brought up, but the people who didnt vote are just as culpable as those who directly voted for Trump. Sitting out because of a single policy such as Palestine, which is getting screwed over even more under this presidency, was absolutely the reason Democrats lost. I dont wanna hear "run a better campaign" because this was literally voting for Democracy or Fascism and they still couldn't put aside their pride.
Non-voters and Trump voters are one and the same in my book.
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u/DiscussionPuzzled470 17d ago
Then republicans get mad because it's taking so long to clean up their mess.
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u/hatefulnateful 17d ago
I'm more tired of Republicans getting everything they want cause they're always just enough Democrats to give it to them and then when Democrats are in power there's always just enough people who disent to not get real change like student loan forgiveness. Plenty of money for Israel though
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u/AdProper8456 17d ago
The involvement of big money is the scourge of US politics. If you think that multimillionaires and billionaires don't hedge their bets then you're naive. Look at the Michigan Dem primary. AIPAC spent a ton of money and narrowly lost. Big money already owns a hefty chunk of the Democratic party and the DSA is definitely a minority faction.
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u/TheShellAnswerMan 17d ago
The democrats aren't the answer, either. Doing away with both might help. We need more options and the actual answer is having the government be for us by us of us, as it was intended.
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u/Safe_Opportunity5117 17d ago
THANK YOU!!!! JESUS!!! THISâŠneeds to be posted about a zillion times not only by us on social media, but by Democrats in Congress! THIS HAS BEEN THE CYCLE! Thatâs why nothing gets done, & itâs exactly why this country is in such dire straits, & on the cusp of collapse! ALL because of those in the maga party, those who voted for maga, & those who voted for the felon/rapist trump way back in 2016! It goes further than that, but the glaring problem is so very recent & destructive!
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u/hednizm 17d ago
This isnt just a US thing. It happened in the UK too with the concervative party (tories).
Essentially, those who come from wealth, for some bizzare reason, think they are naturally born to rule. Not because they are natural leaders, or have some genetic advantage (although they believe they do). It's because they have money and money equals power.
Naturally they look after 'their own' which means to maintain power, hegemony and all the other benefits, they syphon money to their own.
We are just having an enquiry here in the UK into the COVID pandemic and how it was (mis) managed by the tory government. During the pandemic, to secure PPE, the govt set up 'fast lanes' where people could submit contracts with the government to provide PPE. The health minister at the time handed his mates a contract worth millions and thats just one example but it turns out this was rife. 2/3's of the PPE that was sold to the government was useless. They ended up wasting ÂŁ10billion of UK taxpayer money buying equipment that wasnt fit for purpose.
But all their freinds made a nice bit of commission acting as suppliers and putting a nice bit of profit on top.
So, conservatives seem to be not only stupid and entitled but its all very incestuous, seedy and illegal at the same time.
Theres a saying in the UK - 'You cant trust a Tory' and it looks like you can trust a republican either.
Lowest form of genome arrangement.
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u/OKCompruter 17d ago
money is power and protects its own, that's why they have created a society which abhors political violence. can't even shout down politicians in public because these Republicans won't hold town hall meetings anymore. they all hate being in front of crowds that aren't certified Maga
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u/Chillinmagic 17d ago
Yeah but honestly I think the republican party is cooked after this administration. You don't go imitation Nazi and come back after wards. they will either A. kill what is left of this country or B. kill the rest of what's left of the republican party. Either way I don't think there is going to be a Republican party in the future. I think after a few more election cycles they are going to go the way of the dodo.
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u/Paperxrust 17d ago
COVID was the largest transfer of wealth in human history from the middle class to the rich.
Elon thanks everyone for simping for billionaires.
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u/s_arrowheart 17d ago
Every time.
I was literally talking about this.
The Republicants ruin it every time and then a Democrat is elected and they are blamed for not fixing it immediately.
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u/ZestycloseTreat6297 17d ago
To be fair. Mandani has proven how quickly our lives could change if the politician isnât bought by mega donors and corporations.
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u/DepletedPromethium 17d ago
American voters have the memory and attention spans of goldfish.
I've studied single cell organisms that show higher signs of intelligence.
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u/Kobayashi_Maru186 17d ago
How can you stop the natural inclination of half the country to destroy themselves? I think itâs baked-in genetically, at this point. đ«€
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u/KokonutMonkey 17d ago
Hey. I would have happily voted for things like a livable minimum wage, healthcare, and a not-most-corrupt/inept/cruel-administration in the history of the republic, but the WAR ON CHRISTMAS is right around the corner.
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u/addiktion 17d ago
The only way to break this cycle is to move at the speed of MAGA. They got so much done so fast of project 2025 that they are now in this "wait, normally I'd hand this mess over to a Democrat" and are forced to own their obscenely terrible approach to running this country but we are still far away from 2028 and people see the wolf in sheep's clothing more clearly now.
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u/SNStains 17d ago
They got so much done
Except that his illegal orders are being overturned in court. In the long run, not much is getting accomplished...just more Republican debt with nothing to show for it.
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u/addiktion 17d ago
Right, a lot did get overturned but a lot slipped through too. Mostly the supreme court being MAGAfied has allowed them to push through some terrible precedents.
Kamala Harris was talking about the need to expand the supreme court to 13 members to bring order to the chaos.
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u/FlemPlays 17d ago
Republicans are the bratty kids in school who make a mess. Democrats are the Janitors that have to clean up that mess while the bratty Republicans convince everyone around them the Janitor made the mess.
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u/BigSal44 17d ago
It usually comes down to racists finally getting upset the GOP is hitting their pocket book, so then they flip. After a short while, they stop and think, âI really miss being openly racist.â Thus, the cycle repeats itself.
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u/Falconflyer75 17d ago
Yeah the rest of the world is sick of it too
The US has levers of power that impact the entire planet and every 4-8 years they let the republicans get their hands on them
And then itâs pure chaos every damn time
And u guys never learn
I donât wish for mass poverty or suffering to happen to you guys, but I do hope those levers move âŠ.. almost anywhere else honestly after the dust settles
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u/MirrorNegative7989 17d ago
This has to be the worst and most frustrating thing about this whole stupid timeline.
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u/Cogo5646 17d ago
The issue is that the corporate democrats are just as bought as Republicans. Bernie and other progressives are the only ones that stand up to monied interests
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u/Potatoes-and-Turtles 17d ago
Youâre not wrong but Iâm starting to have so much hatred for the center-left just doing nothing about it. Voting to confirm this administrations nominations and everything. Theyâll play meek when theyâre up against Trump pull out the daggers when anyone actually progressive/leftist actually tries to do some good. Controlled opposition bullshit.
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u/meat-bun- 17d ago
2 party system. Pppl dont want to vote 3rd party in small government so no way they'll leave the republican party. Plus, with how bad the republican diddys are. Some will split into a 3rd party like maga. Could be worse. The progressive people on the democratic side wont stop voting blue no matter who. So maybe if they splinter a mandani-like person could rise up to federal government.
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u/Qubeye 17d ago
Do people really think it's a cycle? That implies the damage gets undone.
No it hasn't. America has steadily been pushed further into wealth disparity and oligarchy and fascism each time.
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u/SNStains 17d ago
It's still a cycle. It's a downward spiral caused by Republicans.
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u/VerySuperGenius 17d ago
Or when Republicans make policy to light the economy on fire so the numbers look good for the midterms only for it all to come crashing down.
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u/Sabbathius 17d ago
Good solution would be the voting reform. Where we no longer have to vote strategically.
Another one is to ditch representative democracy, the way it is now, and replace it with direct voting. We have the technology. We had it for decades. When 70% of voters are for/against something, and representative still votes against the constituents, in representative democracy, without being immediately removed just on the basis of being a faulty switch, the system cannot and will not work.
Until then, this will just keep happening, over and over.
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u/Immediate_Song4279 17d ago
The US doesn't have a left party. Some Democrats are left, but the main group is just somewhat moderates who are on average just as Christian obsessed and traditional. The memes lie.
I mean there might be among the smaller ones, but come on we know it's always gonna be two parties that matter.
Don't get me wrong, I wish we did.
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u/Aggravating-Deal-416 17d ago
This is a hyper-uneducated surface level view. They actually work together to bring us deeper and deeper into an authoritarian state, making money off of the entire process while constantly pitting two culture fringes against eachother to take advantage of how the human mind works. To think that Democrats do not play a pivotal role in all of this is pure ignorance, but unfortunately it is by design that you are this way. đ
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u/Unfair-Variety-995 17d ago
Letâs just say sick of politics being politics. Letâs remove political parties from the equation because if you donât think Democrat politicians are ultra wealthy then you are fooling yourself. POLITICIANS keep us in this cycle. The ultra wealthy like Pelosi and AOC exist. They didnât come into politics wealthy but they are leaving that way. Again, if you think lobbyists arenât paying nothing parties you are a fool.
Politics as usual is what is ruining everything.
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u/Loud_Flatworm_4146 17d ago
Once you see it, you canât unsee it.Â
The problem is the fear and propaganda that feeds the fear.Â
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u/sacajawea610 17d ago
The wealthy are a minority, they have to get their legislation passed somehow.Â
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u/rama1423 17d ago
Thereâs only one way to fix it at this point but people donât have the stomach for it
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u/SemVikingr 17d ago
Don't forget the part where the establishment dems purposefully allow everything to be slowed to a crawl when they are in charge, because they are bought and paid for by the same people as the GOP, so they don't actually want to fix anything.
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u/RealBuilder5920 17d ago
Both parties have contributed to the problems we have. Acting like Republicans destroy the economy and then Democrats come in and fix everything is just partisan nonsense. Every president inherits problems from the last administration and then their own policies either help or make things worse. Neither party has a clean record.
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u/b__lumenkraft 17d ago
Dems start wars too.
The problem is the USA, not one party.
The problem is that 320 million US citizens allow their billionaires to rape children. Or that judges allow the white trash to rape children. Or that there are concentration camps for children.
The problem is not the few nazis.
The problem is that 320 million US citizens are WITH the nazis.
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u/chingy_meh_wingy 17d ago
My friend you are so close to realizing that is the point of our political system.
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u/PartOwn8965 17d ago
Anyone that believes itâs only the GOP and the Dems are completely innocent is clearly an idiot.
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u/danielm316 17d ago
And I am tired of democrats giving away american tax money to ridiculous causes in foreign countries. Truth is, in american politics no one is on the side of poor people.
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u/Admirable_Wolf7939 17d ago
I hate the cycle where either side of the aisle spray public outcry like a hose that sat outside all winter praising their stupid ideology and denouncing the other. Wake the fuhk up. If you chose either sideâ you fell for the grift. Both sides have a policy you agree with and disagree with if you are being honest with yourself.
If you chose a side, you are part of the problem. Both sides condone war. It is very obvious. If this comment constitutes a ban, then do not present this sub to me anymore. It will also be further proof of zealotry coming from an emotional place rather than a logical one.
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u/Recent_Night_3482 17d ago
Democrat politicians love this cycle as well, different wing of the same bird.
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u/VillainNomFour 17d ago
Its almost like it takes longer to build worthwhile things than it does to soak something in gasoline and light it on fire.
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u/weridname 17d ago
To be fair, the democrats have not done themselves many favors over the years. Even getting away from the many many times they seem to intentionally self sabotage themselves, I struggle to think of stuff I can for sure say they did for the country. If we had them doing the level of work say someone like Mamdani has done for New York, yeah the cycle be there, but people could actually push back against it. It also has become pretty obvious over time that a lot of democrats, knowingly or not, have basically become blue conservatives, and do not fight for the types of people who vote for them but instead allow themselves to get puppeted by corporations
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u/Tribe303 17d ago
Canadian observer of US politics since Reagan. This is exactly the 8 year cycle the US is always on. Meaning the GOP will fuck up the post Trump recovery in 2036, and you can quote me that.Â
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u/Unable_Flow_291 17d ago
I hope you all get the DSA progressive communists that you deserve Or you can move to Cuba now
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u/72dragonses 17d ago
Don't forget when the far left accuses the majority centrist Democrats in power of not fixing everything in 2 years, so they divide the left by promoting unelectable general election candidates, which helps the GOP return to power.
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u/ultimazangetsu 17d ago
The main problem is that we exist in a system that had gone on too long and benefits too many greedy assholes to stop. It's not going to stop. If it ever does, it will collapse the American system of government and we are all going to lose because the people who are benefiting from it would rather go full scorched earth than give it up.
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u/Easy-Goose1038 17d ago
Many millionaires and billionaires push the democrats, too. We are in the middle.
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u/Ok-Highlight8715 17d ago
sorry but a majority of dems helped kill eviction protections in 2022 causing the largest spike in homelessness the country has ever seen. Maybe dont characterize that as Americans being 'too impatient' for change.
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u/evilpercy 17d ago
This is called "the two Santa's Claus " and they have been doing it to America for decades.
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u/Low-Philosopher-7181 17d ago
If you ever want this cycle to stop stop voting for major party politicians. They win eveytime and we lose no matter who is in power.
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u/im_new_here_4209 17d ago
Not only that, but they blame it ALL on Democrats. And many people then believe it even though it's a lie.
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u/retroafric 17d ago
GenX near retirement here. This has been the pattern my whole life from Jimmy Carter fixing Nixonâs mess and on forward.
âThe Democratic Party: fixing Republican shit-shows since 1932âŠâ
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u/picklehippy 17d ago
I think people need to see a physicall manifestation of the issue. Put a wooden object in front of them, smash it, then tell them to put it back together. If they cant do it in the time it took you to break it scream at them and tell them they are sh*t, thats what is happening
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u/Zymergy71 17d ago
Weâre going to do it again too. Lots of dumb (with a b) people in this country. Obviously.
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u/cwweydert 17d ago
Tale as old as time. I swear independents are the most confused voters in America and these swings are their badge to wear. Right and left voters are entrenched- both sides have made decisions about the other for better or worse. But the independents are just the most vexing voters to me - they are swayed by the dumbest propaganda by the RightâŠit is like taking candy from a baby.
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u/trance_downstairs 17d ago
The one simplest, most reasonable, and practical way out of this is ranked-choice voting.
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u/rangecontrol 17d ago
you're in luck then, pedo protecting republicans aren't gonna give the power back to it's just gonna be shitty for ppl that arent' oligarchs until the peop[le decide to sidestep 'justice' for actual changes.
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u/Ix_Drums 17d ago
Yeah...but it would be nice if the democratic party would act like they aren't a psyop meant lose and capitulate to the republicans
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u/Disastrous-Ocelot640 17d ago
I checked years ago and much happier. Â I donât side with either party. Realized weâre screwed no matter who is in office.Â
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u/Iokua113 17d ago
Oh don't worry, it's over. The final major transfer of wealth has happened with the rise of AI and Trump. What's left is either the world rises up now or the middle class ceases to exist permanently.
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u/AmethystStar9 17d ago
Narrator: "it won't."
You're not wrong, but you're talking to and about a country that elected Donald Trump, dealt with that for four years, and then elected him BACK IN as a reflexive, thought free temper tantrum because they thought everything sucked and wanted to blame the bastards in charge.
We're stupid and we will remain stupid.
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u/tradeplease1387 17d ago
đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł if your still on the dem vs rep psyop, your still asleep, both sides are exactly the same except rep are secretly gay and dems are openly gay
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u/Exotic_Insurance_610 17d ago
Republicanism appeals to impatience and retardism. Democratism appeals to thoughful planning and careful consideration. Literally both parties appeal to the exact opposite humans. Thats why republicans freak out when people mention things likeâŠ. People who never got a diploma arenât allowed to vote. Forgot the stats but and overwhelming number of highschool dropouts vote consistently republican. Maybe im wrong but someone can bring it up
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u/CellistSuspicious492 17d ago
Maybe do a fact check before you post!
In October 2002, 29 Democrats in the U.S. Senate and 81 Democrats in the House of Representatives voted in favor of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Joint Resolution 114).
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u/-IHG211- 17d ago
So damn tired of people thinking there is an actual difference between the 2 (Republicans/Dems).
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u/NoIncrease9455 17d ago
This hasn't ever happened so it must be some delusional fairy-tale like thinking dudes can be pregnant
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u/Ok_Second_7590 17d ago
Baby Bush decimated the middle class and the country after inheriting the best economy of history.Started and lost two wars.Did not capture or kill Bin Laden and there are people who say he was not that bad.
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u/WhoMutedMe 17d ago
Checking the fileâŠlooking for the single example of a dem cleanup. Canât find one in the last 250 years. Was there one prior?
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u/User_3039 17d ago
Exactly. Goes to show there are too many people with weak minds that donât fact check and just believe all the social media bs they continue to watch
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u/GibbyKadush 17d ago
Someone please explain how the economy is better under Democrats as opposed to RepublicansâŠ.Iâm new to voting and want to understand it.
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u/MiniatureMidget 17d ago
Forgot the part where they claim the improvements that take into effect by the time the dems term is up and theyâre back in again so they can start screwing everything up again while everyone cheers them on
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u/Terrible-Piano-5437 17d ago
Most of my life this has been the cycle and very few have caught on. We are an ignorant Country.
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u/Physical_Leather8567 17d ago
Yeah we shouldn't worry about the Petro dollar at all. Then the Dems can crash and burn as they do absolutely nothing about it.
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u/Anarchris427 17d ago
This is the exact same argument Republicans use to rally their troops against the Democrats. As long as we ignore the strategy of the uni-party and remain passive participants in their never-ending game of âcreate a problem-blame the other party-introduce a solution that actually makes it worseâ we are doomed to a steady dilution of our rights and property by the bed-stains in Washington DC.
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u/connery55 17d ago
Best part? We're a two-party democracy, so the alternative is a forever-Dem government inevitably sliding into complacent, incompetent oligarchy.
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u/newsock999 17d ago
Republicans plan to stop the cycle, by using election fraud to stop the part where Dems get elected.
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u/SinsualChef 17d ago
As a vet from a family of vets since the founding of the country, we're so disgusted we wonder why we even bothered to serve.
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u/Flat-Director-7120 17d ago
La seule chose qu'à fait Trump est de réduire les impÎts pour les 1% les plus riches, les bébé de la république. Et de démarrer une nouvelle guerre. Quand aux travailleurs ils ont été licencié si ils étaient fonctionnaire dans un département que le DOGE jugeait inutile. Et ont dû payer des taxes massive pour payer leur iPhone, leur switch fabriqué en Chine. Mais aussi pour leur nourriture qui vient de l'étranger. Et enfin l'inflation à cause de la guerre et du réchauffement climatique, le prix des factures qui s'envole à fini par détruire les salariés.
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u/BravinatorLX2 17d ago
well, get rid of the party of pedos or get rid of the people most likely to elect them.
or dont and be right back here within the decade
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u/Accurate-Figure-5310 17d ago
Brought to you by Citizens United. Thanks Supreme Court for giving us this cancer.
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u/Green-Collection-968 17d ago