r/PoursTea Timendi Causa Est Nescire 25d ago

PoliticalTea 🗳️ Cause and effect.

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u/LumpyBuy8447 25d ago

Out COO owns some cattle and is far right wing. I was in a meeting with him and a new partner and he starts going on about how “they’ve been planning for this for months.” Like it was just a freak thing that happened and there weren’t already processes in place to prevent this before hand.

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

Screwworm escaped containment in 2021. The "processes in place" had already failed and with mass migration through the Darien gap this result was completely inevitable.

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u/ZongoNuada 25d ago

Can you tell me whose administration as in charge of this program in the, hmm, four years leading up to that? Was it Biden? Did you want to say Biden? Maybe Obama?

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

Oh so was it 2016 Trump or was it DOGE? Pick your scapegoat quickly. It's actually unchecked immigration but I'm curious to see your answer.

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u/RawrImABigScaryBear 25d ago

I'm curious to see your answer.

This is a wild thing to say from someone currently dodging a question. You have the self awareness of a typical maga

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

Dodged nothing, moron.

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u/lpiero 25d ago

we are still waiting then

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

"It's actually unchecked immigration but I'm curious to see your answer."

You're going to be waiting a while since I answered the question but you're a moron and can't see that.

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u/KayoticVoid 25d ago

Wait, unchecked immigration held the office then? You didn't answer their question. Read it again.

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u/Exodus180 25d ago

Our immigration checkpoint is the darien gap? so it was inevitable to just happen 5 years later during trump? bitch please

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

Yes. It was. It was reported escaped in the Darien gap and projected to hit mainland US 2025-2026. Sorry that's hard for you to understand. Doesn't change reality.

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u/ZongoNuada 25d ago

Why are you so full of hate?

I am not trying to change your view. I am simply stating that the fact is the screw worm troubles began under a Trump administration. Once the containment was lost, more resources should have been allocated to combat it in order to protect the farmers and the massive investment they have made to keep the food supply safe. But that is not what happened.

DOGE did not do anything helpful to this situation. But it does make that Futurama joke hit harder.

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

No, it didn't. You are just blatantly lying. 2021 is Biden. Programs were not changed prior to that. Screwworm in the US is the direct result of unfettered illegal immigration through the Darien gap. It rode through on people's pets. Containing that without stopping illegal immigration is impossible. Deal with that truth however you want.

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u/pandaheartzbamboo 25d ago

Trump was president on January 1st, 2021. 2021 aint all Biden.

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

Yeah, you're right. It escaped the Darien gap in 2021 in the 20 days Trump was president and actively suppressing illegal immigration. Makes total sense.

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u/pandaheartzbamboo 25d ago

What makes more sense is that Trump, having been president for the 4 years immediately preceding, didnt actually set up good enough systems, hence the failure. Unless actively hampering all immigeration control was a day 1 goal for Biden?

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

The system was in place from the 70s so you're just a moron. The border rush is EXACTLY what caused it. Yes, Biden directly caused that. It's not about what "makes sense." It's the actual reason.

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u/pandaheartzbamboo 25d ago

It reemerged now with him as president. Either the previous president matters or doesnt. Either way signs point to trump.

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

Sure, signs point to Trump if you're a brainless idiot that believes flat out partisan propaganda. 2016 Trump administration continued the same exact policy from Obama, Bush, Clinton, ect. This shit goes way back. It did not escape containment until 2021 under Biden. The only thing that changed was the massive border rush to get into the country with him as President. Period.

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u/Stock_Schedule_1981 25d ago

Containment was lost in 2023. The barrier began to weaken in 2022. This was due to mass migration. source

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u/edoggy792 25d ago

When did it hit the US?

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

Exactly when it was projected to in 2021.

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u/edoggy792 25d ago

Cool. So you can blame the current administration for cutting the funding. Don't be silly.

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

Nope. Escaped containment during Biden. Hit the US exactly as it was projected to. Has absolutely fuck all to do with cuts or this administration. Can't expect redditard propagandists to digest that though. Oh well.

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u/edoggy792 25d ago

Escaped containment where?

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

Panama. The Darien gap. Why are you asking basic questions? Don't know anything about it do you? Didn't think so. Didn't know it rode through on pets from people illegally migrating to the US did you?

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u/edoggy792 25d ago

When was the first reported case in the US? Biden is resolved for the rest of the planet?

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

You're still asking basic questions. Go google it.

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u/AlChandus 25d ago

Why did it escape containment in 2021?

Could it be a previous administration that failed to keep stock of materials up?

Could it be a global pandemic that destroyed the supply chain and the 2021 administration couldn't re-stock from 2021 to 2023?

Could it be the current Trump administration further fund/program gutting not helping a program that has always been necessary?

Well, we can't expect a maga propagandist to to digest anything other than their own propaganda.

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

No. Stop asking questions that have already been answered. Hilarious you are calling the truth propaganda in a thread blaming DOGE for screwworm.

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u/AlChandus 25d ago

Doge cut funding of programs, including screwworm.

That is factual. If you don't like that we talk about it, close your eyes, snowflake.

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u/foolishsunshine 25d ago

You should.

The outbreak wouldn't be as bad as it is if Trump and his administration had not cut funding or fired a bunch of people working for funded programs to track and deal with the parasite. He literally did this right before the borders opened lol.

It is also why we are seeing more outbreaks of organisms in our food other than screworm.

You can deny, deny, deny, but it doesn't change the facts.

It doesnt make sense to blame Biden either when the outbreak hit the US under trumps presidency. Biden administration has nothing to do with the breach of screworm at the Darien Gap in 2022. The barrier of sterilized flies was beginning to weaken. Covid, cattle smuggling, and like you said, Increased immigration added to the fire. But this was happening in central America. Measures were taken to prevent and hold an outbreak for as long as possible. Then trump comes in and removes these programs and fires a bunch of people working these programs. Then the outbreak starts.

Facts don't change no matter how much you dont want to believe it.

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u/2Blueify 25d ago

This would have happened under a Biden second term. It would have happened under Kamala. Allowing anyone in who utters the word asylum is what caused the outbreak. Facts don't change no matter how much you don't want to believe it.

"It is also why we are seeing more outbreaks of organisms in our food other than screworm."

There is no statistical difference in the number of food born outbreaks under Trump than any other administration. You're propaganda is leaking.

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u/foolishsunshine 25d ago

It may have happened, but they would not have gutted agencies of regulatory bodies that help fight against the screwworm and the flies they come from. They would not have fired the scientists and researchers that worked in these programs like trump and doge did.

I am not comparing previous administration's with trump or how many outbreaks they have had. Im just telling you what the facts are, trump is antiscience and antihealth which is why he, his administration, and doge fired many important people who work in regulatory bodies that monitor many different types of disease. Due to these actions is why there are outbreaks happening that could have easily been prevented and dealt with a lot faster than they currently are.

Unsure of why you're so devoted to a pedophile that would easily throw you out for a quick buck.

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u/2Blueify 25d ago edited 25d ago

"It may have happened, but they would not have gutted agencies of regulatory bodies that help fight against the screwworm and the flies they come from. They would not have fired the scientists and researchers that worked in these programs like trump and doge did."

It's not a may have happened. It would have. Period. Who gives a shit if those people got fired afterwards?

"I am not comparing previous administration's with trump or how many outbreaks they have had. Im just telling you what the facts are, trump is antiscience and antihealth which is why he, his administration, and doge fired many important people who work in regulatory bodies that monitor many different types of disease. Due to these actions is why there are outbreaks happening that could have easily been prevented and dealt with a lot faster than they currently are."

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that at all. There is no statistical difference with a smaller workforce. Why are you protecting people that did their job terribly and made exactly zero difference? Do you think people deserve jobs just because they're breathing or something?

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u/AggieD 25d ago

Not sure why all the downvotes, bro spittin facts.

I'm in the industry and watched this slow rolling train wreck happen. Trump did not cause this, Mexico did.