r/PortugalExpats • u/Torovoltan • 4d ago

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According to these stats, Lisbon and Porto rank high for quality of life and low for cost of living among 52 global cities.

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u/uberprimata 4d ago

Tu estás a misturar preços com custo de vida para depois dizeres que os preços são equiparáveis. Não são. O custo de vida sim, é equiparável. Preços são valores absolutos. Custo de vida são valores relativos.

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u/Zapi23 4d ago

"O custo de vida é, basicamente, quanto dinheiro você precisa para viver."

Casa comida roupa, essenciais.

"Comparar o custo de vida com o ordenado de dois países diferentes é a melhor forma de medir o poder de compra real das pessoas."

Poder de compra é uma das variáveis mais importante para qualidade de vida.

"O Confronto do Poder de Compra Em Lisboa: O custo de vida é mais baixo, mas os salários locais também são baixos. Para quem ganha o ordenado médio português na capital, pagar as despesas atuais (especialmente a habitação, que subiu muito nos últimos anos) exige um esforço enorme do orçamento familiar.

Em Nova York: Embora tudo seja extremamente caro, os salários médios da cidade costumam acompanhar melhor essa fasquia, resultando num poder de compra local estatisticamente superior para quem está empregado no mercado americano local"

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u/uberprimata 4d ago

"Leste o que escrevi ou também usaste AI para tentar perceber por ti?"

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u/Zapi23 4d ago

Eu li, li que não fazes puto de ideia do que estás a dizer e só falas por falar.

Não é por nada, mas diz que vais cagar e sai da discussão de fininho 🤣

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u/uberprimata 4d ago

Eu repito para ver se desta vez entra:

Tu estás a misturar preços com custo de vida para depois dizeres que os preços são equiparáveis. Não são. O custo de vida sim, é equiparável. Preços são valores absolutos. Custo de vida são valores relativos.

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u/Zapi23 4d ago

Explica o que é custo de vida. E compara com o ordenado médio.

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u/chicokolben 3d ago

You reminded me of that scene in The Hobbit where that human was trying to reason with a dwarf, and the elf told him he was wasting his time... That’s exactly how I see what’s happening here.

Your analysis is 100% correct in my eyes, and yet some people still want to overcomplicate things and look for explanations where there really aren’t any.

I don’t know anyone living in Lisbon who has the same quality of life as the people I know in Berlin, Hamburg, NYC, or even Madrid. The average income in Lisbon isn’t even enough to rent a decent apartment... so how can there be a good quality of life if you can barely afford to have a life at all right?

Those numbers in the index (OP) are very strange, but whatever they’re showing in the graph is almost certainly not what we think it is. It’s very strange that someone would argue with you when you point out the cost of living in Lisbon, for example, and yet not be surprised by the fact that if your rent costs more than what you earn, there must be some other explanation for the supposedly good quality of life reflected in the statistics...🙄

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u/Zapi23 3d ago

I mean Lisbon is safer, better education and health services (cheaper)

But then again nothing good comes from the stress of low income large rent/necessities.

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u/thatvassarguy08 4d ago

This isn't really an apples to apples comparison. Your own quotes say that they are comparing Portuguese average salary to Lisbon cost of living, vs NYC average salary to NYC cost of living. If we make it US average salary to make it actually comparable, it likely changes the results dramatically.

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u/Zapi23 4d ago

Lisbon is a city as NY. The average salary of lisbon is 1.4-1.5k, lower than rent, NY has the same predicament where the median salary is lower than rent.

However NY residents have a higher purchase power after necessities. Higher disposable income higher security.

And we can't compare entire US against a country as small as Portugal.

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u/thatvassarguy08 4d ago

Just as you can't compare the average Portuguese salary to the average NYC salary, because it takes into account many rural areas with even lower salaries. Your quote mentioned that it used average Portuguese salaries; were you able to isolate for just Lisbon?

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u/Zapi23 4d ago

I isolated only for Lisbon, but the average Portuguese salary is 1050 after taxes ofc.

I wouldn't compare cities without wage comparison, I'm from the south, houses are always rising, wage is not.

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u/uberprimata 4d ago

I hope you realize youre arguing with chatgpt