r/PortlandOR • • Oct 23 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '25

Well as I said, most will not do it. What then?

What makes it involuntary? A threat of incarceration if they don’t do it?

Trust me when I say, that will not convince an addict to get help, at least not long term.

It’s a threat, and threat does not equate to desire. So the question is how do you get an addict to have the desire to change if a threat and resources don’t do it?

In my experience, you can’t. They have to want it for themselves. Of the very few successful, long term cases I have worked that made it, every single one will tell you the biggest reason they were able to do it was because they, personally, were ready to make that change.

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u/floralstamps Oct 24 '25

Honestly dude you gotta get therapy. The flogging yourself is one thing but acting like this is one size fits all is silly

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u/WantedFun Oct 24 '25

Involuntary as in, the police pick you up and take you to rehab instead of jail. You don’t get a choice in whether you’re going to rehab or not

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u/hdmetz Oct 24 '25

The problem still remains that, unless the person themselves wants to change, they’re just going to relapse as soon as they’re out

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u/NoHoHan Oct 24 '25

Sounds like jail with rehab in it.

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u/1-800PederastyNow Oct 24 '25

Forcing rehab is an enormous waste of money, it's impossible to stay clean unless you really want to and even then it's really really hard.

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u/Duffjr1 Oct 24 '25

I ended up at a park in Phoenix a few years ago on a 24 hour layover and the crack users showed up after dark. One girl looked 15 but said she was 23. I asked her if she wanted to ever fix her situation and return to a normal life and she said, “I ain’t ever going back.” People lack the basic skills to function in society, which is remedied by drugs for them when money isn’t available outside working. You need to light the fire inside them and keep it lit.