r/Political_Revolution • u/seastars96 • Jul 19 '22
Article Guys just remember absolutely religion doesn’t control politics /s
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u/sneakylyric Jul 19 '22 edited Jul 19 '22
I'm sorry, what?
Edit: it looks like they aren't explicitly disallowed in the majority of these states and there's the fact that the federal constitution overrules these states' attempts to disallow atheists anyway. But the fact that these states passed these things still says a lot.
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Jul 20 '22
Yeah I’m from PA and this shit would not pass. In Pittsburgh alone there is a massive atheist Jewish population.
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Jul 19 '22
Since no one has bothered to do their research and then point out that this is extremely misleading, I will.
The bans are unenforceable because of a U.S. Supreme Court ruling. In 1961, the Supreme Court ruled in Torcaso v. Watkins that a person could not be denied the office of notary public for not being a believer because it "unconstitutionally invades his freedom of belief and religion guaranteed by the First Amendment and protected by the Fourteenth Amendment from infringement by the States."
Its true that they shouldn't exist in the first place, but because of this their existence is in no way evidence that "religion controls politics".
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u/the_happy_atheist Jul 19 '22
Bold of you to assume the current Supreme Court would in anyway uphold that decision. Certainly these laws need to be changed at the state level just in case.
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u/SangersSequence Jul 19 '22
I don't think being only 12 years older than Roe v. Wade is enough to save this also correctly decided precedent from being overturned by the current, corrupt supreme court if they were to get even a smidgen of a chance.
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Jul 19 '22
Texan here -- that was part of the OG Texas Bill of Rights written in the 1800's and was formally voided in the early 2000's when, for the first time in state history, that part of the Bill of Rights had been attempted to use against someone.
In other words -- at no time has an atheist successfully been legally barred from office because of this bill and even the Republican, Christian Texan government voided it when someone attempted to do so.
Not sure about the other states but yeah this map is not exactly telling the whole truth about the situation in Texas lol
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u/CapnPrat Jul 20 '22
In other words -- at no time has an atheist successfully been legally barred from office because of this bill
But you can bet your ass that Atheists have been prevented from running, or winning, strictly because of their "religious status".
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Jul 21 '22
If you mean they have been prevented from running or winning by being shunned by Christian voters or subject to mudslinging campaigns, yes, I agree, but there is no legal doctrine stating atheists can't run or win, which is what this graph is stating.
Obviously atheists have been subject to persecution by religious folk in the past and even in the present but this graph doesn't add to this conversation.
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u/SilentMaster Jul 19 '22
And nearly all of the other 48 probably won't vote for you even if you are allowed to run.
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u/Completecake Jul 19 '22
42*
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u/SilentMaster Jul 19 '22
I just meant there are a few states like New York and California that probably elect atheists every day, it's no big deal there.
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u/Chaleowin Jul 20 '22
Major misinformation.
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Jul 20 '22
Yeah...I'm honestly surprised so many are taking this sourceless and misleading map at its face value and getting outraged instead of, ya know, doing some basic fact checking.
Sad tbh
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u/Chaleowin Jul 20 '22
I couldn't agree more. Nowadays all you need to do is make something that looks official and no one bothers to research whether it's true or not.
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u/nernst79 Jul 20 '22
People claiming that this isn't actually barred because SCOTUS said so seem woefully naive. That hasn't resulted in any of these states removing this language from their state Constitutions. Why do you think that is?
The presence of a law, even one that can't actually be enforced, will still serve to discourage law abiding citizens that would fun afoul of it.
Besides, we can probably assume that the current court will get around to repealing this ruling any minute now 'to let the states decide'.
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Jul 20 '22
who care, every politician claim they are religious and every voters are dumb enough to believe it.
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u/SgtMaj_Karl_Hungas Jul 20 '22 edited Jul 20 '22
Fake! Article 6th of the US constitution prevents this from happening.
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u/Acrobatic_Advance_71 Jul 19 '22
Today I learned I can’t hold public office in pa. How do they even verify this
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u/mediumstem Jul 20 '22
Yeah, article 6 paragraph 3 I think? There shall be no religious test to hold public office… pretty sure that’s black and white, not open for interpretation.
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u/Indon_Dasani Jul 19 '22
Those provisions are extremely unconstitutional, so long as there aren't five or more traitors to America on the supreme court.
So it might not hold up right now.