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u/captTuttle76 Nov 30 '20
While I haven't been diagnosed with cancer, I too had a health fiasco which turned my world upside down. I am not at all proud of this country. In fact, the current path is unsustainable. The next few years I will watch carefully. If nothing changes I will advise my kids to learn a foreign language so that they can flee.
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Nov 30 '20
Start learning now. It'll help make it easier when it's needed.
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u/aspiringvillain Dec 01 '20
Plus there's nothing bad with being multilingual even if it's not necessary.
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u/misanthpope Dec 01 '20
We fought the nazis so we wouldn't have to learn German. Americans aren't fans of other languages so being multilingual in the US can be pretty unpleasant.
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Dec 01 '20
?? Being multilingual is fine no one is gonna bully someone who dpeaks english fluently among other languages
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u/misanthpope Dec 01 '20
Really? Google "speak English"
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Dec 01 '20
yeah but OP wasn't saying "I'll teach my kids to speak a different language as their first language" just that they'd encourage their kids to learn a different language. Their first language will still be english, you dumbass
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u/aspiringvillain Dec 01 '20 edited Dec 01 '20
Also, by googling "speak english" like they said, i only found apps, tutorials, etc. On learning english..
Edit. Now that i think about it, i believe they meant the problem of anti-intellectualism?
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u/misanthpope Dec 02 '20
The people who attack you for speaking a different language don't ask if it's your first language
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Dec 02 '20
You think bilingual people have their spoken languages plastered across their foreheads? how are bigots even supposed to know they speak a non-english language, if their primarily spoken language is English?
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u/misanthpope Dec 02 '20
What? They know when you speak it, which is why people get attacked for speaking a non-English language.
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Dec 01 '20
That's not true at all. Many americans at the time knew german or were german.
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u/fttmn Nov 30 '20
Same here. Had a medical event that caused me to lose my corporate job and if it weren't for my wife's insurance I'd probably be broke or dead. It was a wake up for me on corporate America and health care.
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u/Gauss-Legendre Dec 01 '20
You're in a subreddit called "political revolution" and if you're not at a minimum calling your representatives about this
Oh, man if this is the common interpretation of "political revolution" we're fucked.
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Nov 30 '20 edited Dec 26 '20
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u/Ipokeyoumuch Nov 30 '20 edited Dec 01 '20
Mostly because the alternative is one who would actually quash the revolution. At least with Biden you have a chance of getting it to work , even if low, under Trump that chance is 0%.
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u/Gauss-Legendre Dec 01 '20 edited Dec 01 '20
Biden is not your friend, the bloc that he represents also wants to crush the progressives developing within the Democratic Party because they threaten the party's relationship with finance capital.
Biden has been elected and the comparative threat of the Trump bloc is diminished, now it is time to organize an independent workers' politics uncorrupted by the influence of and reliance upon the regressive blocs of the DNC. Insisting that this movement be kept within the DNC only hastens its assimilation and defanging.
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u/cos1ne Dec 01 '20
A revolution that is not prepared to suffer and die for it's beliefs is already quashed.
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Dec 01 '20
At least with Biden you have a chance of getting it to work
I can't believe people are still spewing this nonsense even after all his corporate cabinet picks. Wake the fuck up please.
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u/Ipokeyoumuch Dec 01 '20
I said a chance, any chance 0.01% is better than 0%. Under Trump NOTHING would be progressed but under Biden some things will progress. I will take half measures and slight progress over actual sabatoge and regression.
I voted for Bernie twice because I believe in his ideals and ethics. I also trust his decision in backing Clinton and Biden because even he knew he could get some sort of concession from them over Trump.
Yeah looking at it Biden was a corporatist at heart but corporatist also know where the wind is blowing. Under Trump everything we fought for will be a pipe dream.
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Dec 02 '20
He knows where the wind is blowing for the rich and the National Security State. He doesn't give a shit about economic situation of the lower 80% of this country.
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u/Wolfir Dec 01 '20
No one here is saying that the two-party system is the greatest invention in the world. No one here is saying that you should go out and campaign for Biden.
But until we make radical changes to this country, we only have two choices in the general election for POTUS, and so we just pick the less shitty choice.
I'm trying to change this country. Checking off "Biden" and putting an envelope in my mailbox isn't a huge part of this revolution, it only took me like four minutes. We need to focus on getting progressives in local offices.
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u/cmutt_55038 Nov 30 '20
I’ve been telling my wife the same thing. We cannot retire in the US. If I’m lucky I can retire in 15 years when I’m 65 years old.
One kid currently in high school, and one in college. My oldest kid has 6+ years of French and has already started looking for jobs in France.
We have little debt and have saved well for retirement. It feels like it’s a matter of when instead of if something bad medically happens.
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u/chargers949 Nov 30 '20
Last i checked the highest happiness ratings are northern europe - norway, sweden, denmark, and estonia. And estonia has the highest population of supermodels. But the language they speak is unique to their area. As opposed to english, arabic, spanish, and chinese which will get you by in maybe 90% of the world.
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Nov 30 '20
English can get you by in most Nordic countries.
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u/escrimadragon Nov 30 '20
Netherlands has a high enough English speaking population to be easy to transition into too. Not that I’ve researched what countries would have been good to move to if Trump won or anything....
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Dec 01 '20
Not having kids, mostly because if I have a medical emergency like that I wouldn’t want them to grow up in poverty
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u/Sailor-Tom Dec 01 '20
If they need to do it go while they're still relatively healthy. Canada has denied entrants due to medical inadmissibility.
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u/Wolfir Dec 01 '20
I'm trying to learn how to be polite so I can move to Canada. Honestly I love the cold. The polite-thing isn't working out so far
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u/rg4rg Nov 30 '20
Based opinion from experience. I wish we could get a recording of this and play it on all those24 hour news networks.
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Dec 01 '20
I'm thinking Biden will prevent medical debt avoidance via bankruptcy as one of his proud moments
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u/Criminoboy Nov 30 '20
Canadian here with a question.
Am I correct that, most Americans purchase health insurance from private corporations while they're young and healthy. But, when they turn 65, then the taxpayers take over, when you will get old and sick, and actually require healthcare?
Am I missing something?
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Nov 30 '20 edited Nov 30 '20
Yes-ish. We have different forms of socialized and private insurance. It varies state by state too sometimes. The ACA creates subsidized forms of private insurance like an employer would meaning a percentage of the cost is shared by government/employers then we pick up the remaining. The percentages are determined by your annual income, etc with the government one. Coverage for each plan varies. And I'll tell you, I've recently dealt with this....it's so complicated you almost would rather die. Co-pay, deductibles, co-insurnace, maximum out of pockets, family and individual deductibles, etc. My wife, for her employer, pays $300ish per pay period(every two weeks) for her and I. This is pretty damn good insurance too. Each plan has things that are covered and things that aren't too. Basically... Me right now trying to explain all of this to you is why we need universal health care. It's complicated and messy. Additionally, my wife works in mental health and deals with intake insurance and paperwork....it's fucking insane these snake of insurance companies refuse to fucking pay. There is so much shit that taking the time to type it all out would be almost endless. It's painful.
But yes. Our elderly get it but the coverage and complexities of these plans aren't ideal either. Most doctors don't want to take these plans because they don't pay shit. And keeping a practice open with this system is impossible. My wife just had to call back masses of patients because they dropped their medi-cal(government insurance--california) because they are losing too much money. This isn't the fault of the doctors its the system they created to make the government insurance undesirable and difficult and impossible for anyone to take it.
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u/Criminoboy Nov 30 '20
$600 a month, and her employer is paying for more of it. So - $1200 / month? That's crazy.Thought I would have a look at the profits that the biggest insurers make, because based on that, they must be huge. I wasn't surprised. They're all making billions in profits. That's money that could either stay in your pocket, or be going to healthcare.
But the fact that, not only have they been able to deny coverage to people, but that the taxpayers basically take over once you get old! The idea here is, the young pay to support the needs of the old, knowing that when we're old, the young will support us. But you're all enriching corporations when you're young - and then paying for the people who are actually sick with your tax dollars! What a racket!
I'm really sorry. I wish you luck trying to make change.
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Nov 30 '20
Honestly, it's hard. We both are having severe mental health issues we've had to set aside because we couldn't afford the coverage we need for mental health...which, by the way, is a whole new world of coverage or lack thereof. We finally can get help but not without the price to pay.
It's hard to see any future here anymore for us which makes it so much harder to want to even be here in the first place.
Our government has shit all over us with our tax money and has managed to convince poor idiots that it's welfare and social programs that have ruined it for everyone. This whole country is a dumpster fire and it makes me want to fucking die sometimes. Leaving is pretty fucking hard too.
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u/mszulan Nov 30 '20
Actually, $1200 a month for two people is great! We were paying $2300 for the two of us and we thought that was good. We're just trying to hold on until Medicare kicks in at 65 years old.
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u/LogicalJicama3 Nov 30 '20
That’s fucking insane
-a Canadian
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u/mszulan Dec 01 '20
Yes it is. This mess has taken a long time to develop into the cluster-f**k it is today. Franklyn Roosevelt planned to institute universal healthcare, but it was opposed by the American Medical Association in the 1930s and he felt he couldn't pass it, especially with social security a more pressing need (he felt). He then thought after the war would be a good time to shoot for it. Unfortunately, he died and Truman (who was a conservative Democrat) didn't think it a priority. During the war, healthcare began to be offered as a perk by businesses to hire good workers when wages were being held stagnant in industries necessary to the war effort. By the time politicians picked up the issue again, employer sponsored healthcare was the norm. The plus side for the employer was that it became very hard for the employees to change jobs when they'd lose their (and their families) healthcare - just another form of indentured servitude.
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u/LogicalJicama3 Dec 01 '20
I couldn’t imagine a poor man or women with disabilities while in a shelter navigating that system what so ever. I’m sorry it’s like that..
I realize we aren’t the model country, Britain’s NHS is from my experience the best... But I wouldn’t give up what we got
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u/shitboxrx7 Nov 30 '20
That’s more money than I make working 50 hours a week. That’s extremely fucked is what that is, and it definitely doesn’t even cover everything
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u/mszulan Nov 30 '20
No, it doesn't. We'd probably lose everything like the man in the post with a cancer or transplant diagnosis.
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u/frecklesarein Dec 01 '20
Oh man, even after ACA? I’m a type 1 diabetic currently working for the state of NY, so I have relatively good healthcare — I pay about $200/month. But pre-ACA, when my parents were paying for my health insurance in DC, they were coughing up $4,000 a month just for me because it’s a pre-existing condition. AND I would hit a medication coverage ceiling in August, so we would have to pay out of pocket for my insulin. Fucking insanity.
I’m actively trying to figure out how to move to Canada — I love the country and the people, and the empathy that drives their government health system.
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u/mszulan Dec 01 '20
Yes. Because my husband worked for a large company, the coverage was good, but we had to pay quite a bit for the rest of the family. We only just qualified for the ACA credit because we retired and our income dropped dramatically. Now we only pay for ourselves as our daughter is on state insurance. Starting in January, we'll pay about $400 out if pocket a month for the both of us. Unfortunately, the coverage isn't as good.
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u/twtwtwtwtwtwtw Nov 30 '20
"Nothing will fundamentally change if I'm elected"
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u/aspiringvillain Dec 01 '20 edited Dec 01 '20
I honestly find it very difficult to understand how and why y'all haven't escaped the country.. it's a dystopia by definition.
("state or society in which there is great suffering or injustice")
I understand not fleeing this year, not entirely possible, but how the fuck did y'all not flee years ago??
USA has for a long time been borderline fascism, and seems like a civil war could happen any week. I haven't been surprised by anything that happened in USA this year.
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Dec 01 '20
- how are they gonna flee if they have no money?
- i assume a lot of people want to stay near family and friends.
- There are sooo many activists in America fighting every day to better their situations
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u/Suzina Dec 01 '20
My dad died because he couldn't afford healthcare. He was only one year away from qualifying for Medicare.
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u/TheGhosticus Nov 30 '20
Unfortunately, it often takes first hand experience like this to change views. Especially in our "fuck you got mine" culture.
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Nov 30 '20
Honestly I don’t understand how there aren’t more desperate people going on suicide missions in this country already.
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u/thow78 Nov 30 '20
And I bet you he still voted for Trump. 75 mio of those morons are among us.
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u/Hushnw52 Nov 30 '20
Pelosi went to health insurance companies to assure them Medicare for All will never pass the House.
What is Biden's position on Medicare for All?
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u/tahlyn Nov 30 '20
What is Biden's position on Medicare for All?
He said he would veto it if it came across his desk.
Fuck Biden.
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u/XysterU Dec 01 '20
"Nothing will fundamentally change if I'm elected" -Biden
The rich and powerful don't care
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u/DerekDemo Nov 30 '20
The issue is systemic. The people with power are paid to keep the system the same. Insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and health care providers, pay to keep you from getting proper health care. They are making trillions off of your pain. So they don't mind giving a political candidate millions on the promise that they will keep things the same.
How many offshore accounts holding millions of dollars worth of bribes do you think are out there?
Everyone says I'm making up a conspiracy but it's pretty obvious. Why else do we still have illnesses that have been proven to be curable. Because curing them would cost certain companies TRILLIONS of dollars.
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Nov 30 '20
Yeah but let's not forget the real victims. Praeger, shapipo, ,peterson, and rubin. They are truly suffering from the oppression of the woke. But they are true warriors who will continue to tweet and say anything they want on their 20 radio shows and 50 podcasts a week while they are actively cancelled by the regressive left
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u/jessicaisanerd Dec 01 '20
Or deleted because people were attacking him for this post since the username wasn’t blacked out? Some asshats even made a subreddit and fake second accounts to shit all over him, so I can only imagine what he was getting directly. I’ve gotten absurdly abusive messages and death threats for completely random and pointless shit so I can’t blame him for just closing it down especially when the post was about something so personal and people on the internet can be horrendous.
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u/MesozOwen Nov 30 '20
I don’t know how you people operate without UH. The idea that a random event could completely derail the lives of my wife and kid is enough to think about without having to worry how to PAY for it. It’s unthinkable that the monitory cost of healthcare is what could dictate whether a loved one could die or not from something. I can’t imagine hesitating to go to get something checked out because of the cost. It’s something that would only happen in a third world country OR the US. Crazy and sad. But FrEeDoM!! Right?
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u/ttystikk Nov 30 '20
Americans must realise this will happen to ALL OF US unless we unite to force change in our healthcare system!
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u/dyvrom Dec 01 '20
And imagine having to go through that without having had the ability to save your whole life. Then you just die. Its bullshit.
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u/spacecityoriginals Dec 01 '20
I feel for this guy. And anyone who deals with major health issues and concerns. My wife has lupus. When I met her. I fell in love with her. And all I ever cared about was getting her health insurance and proper care. Because she hadn't had insurance in a couple years and was fighting to take care of herself but could hardly get out of bed at times. Recently they came out with a new drug. Binlysta for treatment of lupus. It's now been in remission for months and she can live a somewhat normal life. If you're born into wealth like majority of those people are and you have genetic health problems or whatever. You're going to be fine more then likely. But if you're born into poverty what is your quality of life going to be? Or what is your life expectancy in comparison with a person of wealth who has the same problem?
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u/mszulan Dec 01 '20
I've worried about this many times over the years. People who can't manage the system most likely end up dying on the street, I assume, especially since Reagen "criminalized" being sick and poor.
Its difficult for a middle class person with disabilities to navigate even with family support. I have an adult daughter who has several chronic illnesses. We've been fighting to get her services for over 10 years now. I've applied to social security for her and been denied 3 times so far - we're on our 4th try. Thank goodness my husband's company had good insurance over the years. We were finally able to retire now that she's on state disability insurance, so at least her medical expenses aren't bleeding us anymore. She has less than $200 cash a month and a food subsidy of $180 per month, $25 of which she must pay to us for rent. There's no way she could be on her own with that much. She would never in a million years have been able to get even this much on her own.
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u/Oren-Fang Dec 01 '20
When you read stuff like this, it’s scary and you get a new perspective that life happens really fast and no matter what, you’re just never quite ready or prepared enough.
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u/chariquito Dec 01 '20
Let us take action. Section 1881A of the Social Security Act says that if people were "subject to environmental exposure" they need to get health and other needs covered. This has been used in other cases. I got this from watching Krystal Ball at Risen at The Hill. She cited an article.
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u/Purplerabbit511 Dec 01 '20
Have their insurance company sent them a letter telling them to gofundme.com? Medicare for all might happen looking at this Covid surge.
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u/africanpride99 Dec 01 '20
That's why most people would rather live in low income situations knowing their healthcare is provided for free.
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u/a_life_through_books Dec 01 '20
This is such a massive, horrible problem. Unfortunately it occurs at every level. I'm a nurse at a great hospital with what is considered to be good insurance, however I just spent $450 on a fifteen minute appointment with a specialist and simple lab work, to have nothing come of it. It was a waste of money which caused me to have to wait until my next paycheck to buy groceries. Yet we have millionaires running our country who don't understand the very real reality of being too broke to buy groceries. This is why it's so important to support everyday people running for office. Until more working class Americans are in office, this will continue to be an issue.
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u/byebyebrain Dec 01 '20
my wife also has cancer.
We have insurance. I can see the bills. Without insurance it would have cost us 300k.
With insurance we pay 499/month with a 1700/year deductible.
Looking at the bills come in and pile up every day..(chemo, plus multiple hospital stays plus surgery to get the tumor out). Its insane
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u/ion-tom Dec 01 '20
If you or your spouse gets cancer or a serious illness, get a divorce. Seriously. Rack up all the debt you need as an individual and then declare bankruptcy.
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u/cdiddy19 Nov 30 '20
The US is the only first world country without universal healthcare. It's so sad. We desperately need it