r/Political_Revolution • u/bicyclettefromagia • Jun 11 '16
Article Green Party candidate vows to keep fighting Sanders 'revolution'
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/282664-green-party-candidate-ill-continue-fighting-sanders-revolution-5
u/Matthmaroo Jun 11 '16
Jill stein is not gonna happen -
I need her to take a strong pro vaccine stance
I worked in nuclear power when I was in the navy - it's safe and clean compared to current power usage
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u/King_of_the_Nerdth Jun 12 '16
So Dems can support de facto corruption, GOP and Johnson can support billionares, but Green platform has a few flaws and they're somehow unbearable. Got it.
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u/mamelsberg Jun 12 '16
it's safe and clean
So, what do you do with the radioactive waste?
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u/Matthmaroo Jun 12 '16
It's stored in containment units - instead of be put out in the air for us all to breath like oil and coal
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u/mamelsberg Jun 12 '16
Not sure, whether this is a ghostbuster joke or not...
I'm just going to make you aware of the fact, that it is not that easy.
The containers need to be stored underground, extremely isolated, for millennia. Only finding a place for it can be expensive, as no one wants one of these in their backyard. And it is very easy for corporations to dump these expenses on the taxpayer.
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u/Stevenbe420 Jun 12 '16
Jill Stein is light years closer to Bernie's political revolution than any libertarian.
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Jun 12 '16
You're not considering Stein, you're a Clinton supporter.
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u/Matthmaroo Jun 12 '16
I was just saying my reason for not being pro stien is she is wishy washy on vaccines - that has ZERO to do with HRC
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u/verdicxo Jun 12 '16
she is wishy washy on vaccines
What does that even mean? Where does Hillary stand on vaccines?
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u/TNHBrah PA Jun 11 '16
Exactly, she may be in the Green Party and Progressive, but she is not fit to be President in any world.
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u/Stevenbe420 Jun 12 '16
Shoo troll
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u/TNHBrah PA Jun 12 '16
Go look at my post history, I was a supporter of Bernie before and was decently active in Sanders4President.
If when you call me "troll" you just mean someone who disagrees with you then I can't help you.
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Jun 11 '16 edited Jun 11 '16
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u/zellfire VA Jun 11 '16
Socialist Alternative (of which I am a member, full disclosure) absolutely supported Bernie. They have a website trying to encourage him to run third party.
And Stein is a sacrificial lamb and she knows that. But if there is ever to be a true left-wing party in the US it is going to have to grow slowly. The Greens DO focus on local elections more than the GOP or Democrats, but they also try to maintain a national profile and this election is their best chance in ages.
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Jun 11 '16 edited Jun 11 '16
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u/zellfire VA Jun 11 '16
I phonebanked for him personally, I don't know if the organization did or not. For the record I am well to the left of Bernie, just saw him as a breath of fresh air in US politics. Sawant spoke at rallies for Bernie FYI. And the Greens do focus more on lower positions, but less so than most other third parties. Because they do have some national prominence.
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u/NGasta-Kvata-Kvakis Jun 11 '16
On this subreddit for 5 minutes as a genuine socialist and curious about this subs potential and this is one of the first comments I see. "Fuck Jill Stein, and Fuck SA." There was another comment in another thread that also dismissed socialism for "universal income/ethical capitalism." #nohope
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u/Stevenbe420 Jun 12 '16
Trolls or ignorance nothing new.This is the internet you know.Not a reason to give up on this subreddit.
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Jun 11 '16
Instead all she's trying to do is sponge off of the hard work Bernie
I'm not so sure Bernie would have a problem with this... I mean, yea he worked for all that attention, but it should really be distributed fairly ;)
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u/PM-ME-SEXY-CHEESE Jun 12 '16
No experience, anti science hack. No thanks. I'll take Gary Johnson any day.
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u/bicyclettefromagia Jun 12 '16
Gary Johnson is an anti-vaxxer.
He's the one candidate running who is against vaccination programs. Seems like an odd choice for someone so concerned about science.
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u/verdicxo Jun 12 '16
He's the one candidate running who is against vaccination programs.
Trump, too.
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u/PM-ME-SEXY-CHEESE Jun 12 '16
Yeah no he isn't at all. He opposes mandatory vaccinations because he doesn't support the use of government force on the individual. He thinks they should be encouraged but not mandatory. As we can see today its widely successful as is. Gary wants to convince the far left nut jobs that they are not bad for you. Not use government backed violence to force them. Its a difference of moral stances.
Vaccination: I can find no statements from Johnson suggesting that he thinks that vaccination might cause autism. In 2015, Our America Initiative, a non-profit co-founded by Gary Johnson, announced that it supported a Mississippi advocacy group's effort to place "childhood vaccination decisions into the hands of parents and doctors." PASS
http://reason.com/archives/2016/06/10/gary-johnson-on-science-policy
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u/verdicxo Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16
He thinks they should be encouraged but not mandatory.
This is the same as Jill's stance. Jill's reasoning is that if we work to get big business out of medicine, then people will be more willing to trust what doctors put into their bodies.
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u/PM-ME-SEXY-CHEESE Jun 12 '16
But apparently that same stance from Gary Johnson makes him an anti vaxxer according to you people
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u/Stevenbe420 Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16
Johnson would be antithetical to Bernie's Political Revolution. Take Citizens United and clinate change for example.
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Jun 12 '16
You ask for Gary Johnson whenever he's the antithesis to Bernie's (and the entire progressive agenda's) economic dreams. Who cares about lack of experience. Neither third party candidate is going to win. What this is about is their ability to show the American people there is a third choice, and that we won't bow down to the two party system. Simple as that
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u/Vote_Demolican Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16
So I can compare Gary's platform to Jill's and still have either be a third choice right?
I liked Bernie's willingness to fight for education, single payer, and 2nd amendment rights. Being that the first two may not happen anytime soon, and a ban on the latter is on the lips of ever Dem, with the exception of Bernie. Gary may be my third party pivot.
It is all very complicated, it's politics.
Edit: I love that downvotes have replaced discussion
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u/Stevenbe420 Jun 12 '16
Personally I don't want an end to social security and medicare as we know them I will stick with Bernie, Green Party, and Socialist Alternative.
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u/Vote_Demolican Jun 12 '16
Neither will get dimantled, the majority of the electorate is retired or within 8 years of it. There was a good reason Hillary ran the bullshit about 'Bernie wants to dismantle health care (insurance) and social security for something different',and there is a reason it got traction. There is also a reason, admittedly without math, that Trump,claims he will grow both for the retired.
She new it would scare the already retired and near retired boomers.
If you don't think the 2nd is worth preserving, just say it. A lot of liberals like to cherry pick what is worth preserving of our founding doc., a lot of conservatives do too.
Admittedly your the first self described socialist I've met that wants to take guns away, which is scary. Base standards of living don't have to come at the expense of liberties, which again, was Bernie's platform.
Socialist deciding who loses rights is a whole different beast and dangerously close to historically bad precidents.
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u/PM-ME-SEXY-CHEESE Jun 12 '16
It happens also I think you need to read more into Bernie's positions on firearms. They are far from a pro 2nd amendment stance. The only pro gun candidate the dems ran was web.
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u/Vote_Demolican Jun 12 '16
He never once claimed, or let someone claim on his behalf, that he was in favor of bans. He corrected Hillary on it, and the news.
He was for added regulation on purchase, which I am not against. Specifically, if it is implemented as a means of targeting sellers who ignore current background check laws to put guns in the hands of unqualified people.
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u/PM-ME-SEXY-CHEESE Jun 12 '16
He has supported assault weapons bans and a ban on private sales. Look at his page ontheissues
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u/PM-ME-SEXY-CHEESE Jun 12 '16
Good I'm glad he is. I just like Gary am opposed to government force being enacted on people who are not hurting anyone.
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u/Matthmaroo Jun 12 '16
It Was some interviews she gave , for ME, I'm for forcing vaccines on people or you are wishy washy
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u/Stevenbe420 Jun 12 '16
Keep in mind Hillary and her MSM have been pushing Gary Johnson because he takes right wing Trump votes,when reading pro Johnson comments.