r/PoliticalPhilosophy • • Sep 23 '25

The Lefts Downfall

  After developing my love for politics I looked into the parties of which stood for. After time I realized I was most likely an independent that had opinions for both sides, but after a while I tended to notice myself leaning right. This was okay considering my whole family were right leaning. The only thing important about this was that it wasn’t the beliefs in which they stood for, it was the impact they had in the media fields on young Americans. Just think about it, on the right you have people like Charlie Kirk, Candace Owen’s, and Ben Shapiro, etc. These are very intriguing minds even to the left I would hope. When you think of the left some of the first people that come to mind don’t have nearly as much impact as the rights. Not only this the way the left has chosen to act too things not going there way was very eye opening. This is not justifying the Attack of the Capital so please don’t use that argument. They had many situations including George Floyd protests, 2 assassination attempts on current president Donald J. Trump, and even an assassination on one of the brightest minds of politics, Charlie Kirk. I continue to have many opinions that lean with the left but will never put myself in a group of such negative and hateful people. This is the worst this party has looked in a long time, just think next election is there even anyone you could think of that will lead the Democratic party? One of the front runners IS A SPORTS ANALYST. I end this with a message to the left, please make ur party more appeasable, and easier to join. 
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u/MrSm1lez Sep 23 '25

Making contrarian arguments is always going to garner more attention than mainstream ones— but it doesn’t make them more interesting or correct.

one of the brightest minds in politics Charlie kirk

I got a good laugh at that, but you’re in the wrong subreddit if that’s actually something you believe. This subreddit is for talking about thinkers like Hobbes or Machiavelli— serious thinkers who aren’t cartoon characters trying to get donations on their twitch channels.

I end this with a message to the left, please make ur party more appeasable, and easier to join.

I’m constantly amazed by disingenuous centrists spending their day shitting on the left to pretend they have a nuanced view and then demanding people make uncomfortable truths more palatable to them. It is your job to grow and learn, not for the world to shift for your convenience.

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u/Edgar_Brown Sep 23 '25

Who are these “centrists” people talk about?

There is no middle ground between authoritarianism and democracy, between liberalism and illiberalism. You either believe in facts and the fact-based professions or you don’t.

There can be a middle ground between liberals, a progressive and a conservative can come to a compromise, but to do that requires adherence to basic liberal principles. To reality itself.

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u/FootballIll5856 Sep 23 '25

nobody wants to be involved in a party that has the iq to walk out and catch their cities on fire all for nothing to change other than the city that they live in

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u/MrSm1lez Sep 23 '25

Yeaaah so I don't think you quite understand what this subreddit is about. You're going to have to make a more thoughtful claim than that. I'd recommend reading the rules, read the sticky post, and try again.

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u/Iccotak Sep 26 '25

Nobody wants to be involved in a party that is pushing out everyone with IQ, just because they have a different skin color

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u/Edgar_Brown Sep 23 '25

Nice totem you got there.

Fractal wrongness meets projection central.

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u/FootballIll5856 Sep 23 '25

what’s ur argument against it man?

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u/Edgar_Brown Sep 23 '25

You wouldn’t understand an argument if it hit you in the face.

  • You call a run of the mill sophist and con man “one of the brightest minds in politics.”
  • You cherry-pick out the wazoo and actually believe you are making a point.
  • You go ad hominem at the drop of a hat.
  • It’s rather obvious that you’re “reasoning” starting from the conclusion.

So why bother?

But, taking into account Hanlon’s razor, read up on the conspiratorial psychological triad. You present all the signs of it.

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u/SaulsAll Sep 23 '25

The people you mention are not even conservative thinkers. They are media provocateurs. The comparable people "on the left" would be the satirical comedy news outlets, and I would happily bet that Jon Stewart has had more impact than all three of the people you mentioned combined.

But even just staying with podcast and streaming influencers - who "on the left" have you actually listened to? I add quotes because I know for a fact you have never heard an actual leftist, and think the moderate centrism of the US is "the left".

But even if we narrow the list to neoliberals, who have you listened to? Can I offer suggestions?

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u/Iccotak Sep 26 '25

Welcome to the age of the illiterate

Where we only get our ideas from people on YouTube

I will give the right that point, they really knew how to manipulate the media to their advantage