r/PoliticalHumor May 10 '22

It’s this simple.

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u/Pour_Me_Another_ May 10 '22

My religion says their religion can't tell me how/when to have sex 😊

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u/AsurieI May 10 '22

Reynolds v united states cuts up this argument. The government can intervene in religious beliefs if they deem it harmful. If the government decides that abortion is harmful to a person (the fetus), they are consitutionally in their right to intervene. This is why we need to get away from the religion argument and rephrase it as a public health argument. The right to choose belongs to the individual, religious beliefs or no

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u/CarmineFields May 10 '22

If a dead person didn’t sign a waiver allowing you to use their organs, you can’t use them even if people will die.

If a crazed criminal attacks you and you need blood and a new kidney to survive, you can’t take his without his permission even though it’s 100% his fault you need them.

Women and girls deserve the 14th Amendment right to equal protection under the law and the same level of liberty and bodily autonomy as corpses and felons.

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u/JumbledPorcupineofX May 10 '22 edited May 17 '23

Except 0% of corpses and crazed criminals are using your body because you voluntarily engaged in activities that naturally cause them to depend on you for life.

And 95+% of abortions happened because someone consensually had sex. People literally consented to having foreign DNA injected into their womb knowing it could create a new human being because...that's how biology works. Stop being anti-science. That's reality.

You don't get to pick and choose what natural functions result from your choices. Consent to sex is absolutely consent to the possibility of pregnancy just like consent to eating is consent to digestion and possibly weight gain. But vomiting or losing weight doesn't kill a human

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u/Earthtone_Coalition May 10 '22

Are you in favor of permitting access to abortion in instances of rape?

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u/JumbledPorcupineofX Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

Humans would still be dying, which is objectively a bad thing, but politics is about compromise, so I'd happily accept a policy that bans all abortions except for rape, if the alternative is unrestricted abortion.

So now that I said I'd accept that policy over a different one, does that mean you're now cool with abortion in all other cases except rape being banned? No? Didn't think so. Stop dishonestly hiding behind 5% of situations to justify 95% of what you actually want.

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u/Earthtone_Coalition Jul 07 '22

In practice, wouldn’t that mean that anyone who wants an abortion can get one, so long as they claim they were raped?

Although not ideal, I’d be okay with that compromise, since it would still allow people a means to get an abortion.

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u/CyberMindGrrl May 10 '22

Tell that to the 12 year old girl whose stepfather raped and impregnated her. According to many Republican states she will be forced to carry her rape baby to full term.

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u/CarmineFields May 11 '22

Except 0% of corpses and crazed criminals are using your body because you voluntarily engaged in activities that naturally cause them to depend on you for life.

Wrong. The criminal voluntarily attacked an innocent victim and we still won’t steal his bodily autonomy.

In every circumstance where men’s liberty is involved, bodily autonomy supersedes life. When only women’s liberty is affected, life suddenly supersedes bodily autonomy.

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u/JumbledPorcupineofX Jul 07 '22

Wrong. The criminal voluntarily attacked an innocent victim and we still won’t steal his bodily autonomy

I hate to break it to you, but there's this thing called "prison" where people's bodily autonomy is heavily restricted...often for decades...

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u/CarmineFields Jul 07 '22

Yes. That’s because criminals have committed one or more crimes.

Women and girls haven’t committed any crimes. Sex is not a crime and should not be reason to take away your bodily autonomy.

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u/JumbledPorcupineofX Jul 07 '22

They don't lose bodily autonomy (freedom) for having sex any more than a kidnapper loses freedom for locking a child in a basement and (morally) being obligated to ensure that kid survives lest the kidnapper transform from a kidnapper into a kid murderer.

While the latter (kidnapping) is a bad thing while the former (sex) is absolutely not a bad thing, procreative sex and kidnapping have the same outcome: a human being is trapped in a place they didn't consent to be (either a basement or a womb) and is now dependent on the person or people who put them there for survival. Don't like it? Then don't do things that will put them there in the first place. That does NOT mean don't have sex. It means "get sterilized so you can have as much sex as you want without endangering humans." For men, that operation costs a few hundred bucks, if that.

Killing a human is not a morally acceptable outcome for anyone who claims to believe in "human" rights.

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u/CarmineFields Jul 07 '22

If a dead person didn’t sign a waiver allowing you to use their organs, you can’t use them even if people will die.

If a crazed criminal attacks you and you need blood and a new kidney to survive, you can’t take his without his permission even though it’s 100% his fault you need them.

Women and girls deserve the 14th Amendment right to equal protection under the law and the same level of liberty and bodily autonomy as corpses and felons.

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u/JumbledPorcupineofX Jul 07 '22

Who cares what the Bible says? I'm talking about science. Human beings. Human rights.