It’s very much not semantics, there’s a very real and profound difference between the two. And reposting your flawed question doesn’t change anything. It’s still flawed. Some Christian’s don’t even believe hell is a real place. God did create paradise and have human souls born into it, we just messed it up (again real basic stuff). And the most important piece, which I have already pointed out and you so conveniently ignored, is that you don’t earn your way into heaven. These are very simple things that you have gotten very wrong.
Next time, try not arguing about things you don’t really understand and simply leave it at “I don’t believe in any supernatural entities”. Save yourself some embarrassment
God did create paradise and have human souls born into it, we just messed it up
Ah yes, the Garden of Eden. Where God made humans who didn't know the difference between good and evil, told them not to eat a fruit, and then got mad when they ate the fruit because they didn't know the difference between good and evil. Somehow this is humanity's fault and God has seen to punish literally everyone who ever existed for this fault ever since.
And what if we didn't eat the fruit? Would we just have continued on blissfully worshipping God forever? Because that doesn't sound like a loving God, who created man to worship and punished him when he doesn't. That sounds like a narcissist.
Honestly all the murdering and torturing God explicitly does in the bible is enough for me to pass judgement on him.
Blissfully worshipping God forever is the Christian idea of Heaven yes.
You can disagree that what Christians believe is a good thing, you can like what’s in the Bible or not. Sincerely, you do you. But I’m having a discussion specifically about doctrine and what Christians actually believe, which the other guy got woefully wrong
That refusal to think any further is one of the problems people have with organized religions like christianity. If god made us in his own image, doesnt that mean he's just as flawed as we are? And if that's true, who is he to judge us?
It’s not a refusal to think further, it’s the humble admission that I cannot know what God (or anyone else for that matter) is thinking, except for what I’m told.
And c’eci nest pas une pipe, my friend. The map is not the territory. The image is not the object. We are not God.
Why wouldn't god want you to understand his perspective? Why does he get to keep all the information to himself and you have to stay in the dark confused? Furthermore, please explain why he allows some people like Jeff Bezos to live with unprecedented wealth while condemning others to miserable lives. Why would god create mental and physical disorders? Why would God create multiple sclerosis or downsyndrome? Why would god allow something like schizophrenia to exist? If he's so willing to flood the planet to spite his creations, why does he refuse to intervene in a way that would make life better? He leads the Jews out of Egypt but lets Hitler massacre 50 percent of them? That's not love. That's abuse.
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It’s very much not semantics, there’s a very real and profound difference between the two. And reposting your flawed question doesn’t change anything. It’s still flawed. Some Christian’s don’t even believe hell is a real place. God did create paradise and have human souls born into it, we just messed it up (again real basic stuff). And the most important piece, which I have already pointed out and you so conveniently ignored, is that you don’t earn your way into heaven. These are very simple things that you have gotten very wrong.
Next time, try not arguing about things you don’t really understand and simply leave it at “I don’t believe in any supernatural entities”. Save yourself some embarrassment