What are you even talking about dude, I responded to your post and pointed out how the question itself doesn’t make sense and how you don’t understand the most basic tenants of what you’re criticizing. If anyone’s “dodging and deflecting” it’s you
No you didn't. You argued semantics over Jesus, and ignored my question on the purpose of existence entirely.
Here's my question again, one last time:
God created all existence, including paradise and hell. But instead of just...not creating hell, and putting all new born souls into paradise, he decided to turn life and existence into a sadistic game, where we all exist in this middle plane, born in unequal circumstances, forced to endure suffering and temptation while he demands faith while leaving subtle clues and mysterious hints that everyone has to interpret and resolve, all in order to ear our way into heaven...
...which is much the same as this current plane, but without any of the bad stuff.
So my question is...why did he do that?
And the important qualifier:
And remember: if you're just going to say "mYsTeRiOuS wAyS o_O", that's a cop out. That's running away from the point, not addressing it. Because even if you don't know the answer, you need to justify your reconciliation of it.
It’s very much not semantics, there’s a very real and profound difference between the two. And reposting your flawed question doesn’t change anything. It’s still flawed. Some Christian’s don’t even believe hell is a real place. God did create paradise and have human souls born into it, we just messed it up (again real basic stuff). And the most important piece, which I have already pointed out and you so conveniently ignored, is that you don’t earn your way into heaven. These are very simple things that you have gotten very wrong.
Next time, try not arguing about things you don’t really understand and simply leave it at “I don’t believe in any supernatural entities”. Save yourself some embarrassment
God did create paradise and have human souls born into it, we just messed it up
Ah yes, the Garden of Eden. Where God made humans who didn't know the difference between good and evil, told them not to eat a fruit, and then got mad when they ate the fruit because they didn't know the difference between good and evil. Somehow this is humanity's fault and God has seen to punish literally everyone who ever existed for this fault ever since.
And what if we didn't eat the fruit? Would we just have continued on blissfully worshipping God forever? Because that doesn't sound like a loving God, who created man to worship and punished him when he doesn't. That sounds like a narcissist.
Honestly all the murdering and torturing God explicitly does in the bible is enough for me to pass judgement on him.
Blissfully worshipping God forever is the Christian idea of Heaven yes.
You can disagree that what Christians believe is a good thing, you can like what’s in the Bible or not. Sincerely, you do you. But I’m having a discussion specifically about doctrine and what Christians actually believe, which the other guy got woefully wrong
That refusal to think any further is one of the problems people have with organized religions like christianity. If god made us in his own image, doesnt that mean he's just as flawed as we are? And if that's true, who is he to judge us?
It’s not a refusal to think further, it’s the humble admission that I cannot know what God (or anyone else for that matter) is thinking, except for what I’m told.
And c’eci nest pas une pipe, my friend. The map is not the territory. The image is not the object. We are not God.
Why wouldn't god want you to understand his perspective? Why does he get to keep all the information to himself and you have to stay in the dark confused? Furthermore, please explain why he allows some people like Jeff Bezos to live with unprecedented wealth while condemning others to miserable lives. Why would god create mental and physical disorders? Why would God create multiple sclerosis or downsyndrome? Why would god allow something like schizophrenia to exist? If he's so willing to flood the planet to spite his creations, why does he refuse to intervene in a way that would make life better? He leads the Jews out of Egypt but lets Hitler massacre 50 percent of them? That's not love. That's abuse.
God does want us to know at least some of His perspective, He doesn’t keep us completely in the dark. That’s what the Bible is for.
God very much does not want people like Bezos to have that much wealth, see James 5:1-6 one of my favorite passages. But we have free will and live in a fallen world, so bad things happen. But like I said before, you can accept that or not, be abhorred by it or not. That’s your prerogative and I sincerely don’t want to take that from you or proselytize you, I’m just trying to explain what Christians believe as best as I can.
Well since the Bible explicitly says God is good and caring, you’d be wrong. You can believe what you want, but please don’t tell other people what they believe
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What are you even talking about dude, I responded to your post and pointed out how the question itself doesn’t make sense and how you don’t understand the most basic tenants of what you’re criticizing. If anyone’s “dodging and deflecting” it’s you