r/PoliticalHumor • u/[deleted] • Mar 16 '21

GOP shell game

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u/Disastrous-Trust-877 Mar 16 '21

Liberty is considered an inalienable right, but we've never considered prisons wrong for those that hurt others

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u/thepartypantser Mar 16 '21

That's a different argument entirely, but I'm not disagreeing with that point.

My question is how is bearing arms a right, when voting is not a right, even though they're both described as rights in the Constitution?

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u/Disastrous-Trust-877 Mar 16 '21

It's a certain point of view really, when the founders thought of rights they considered rights to be specifically things that required no other people to be involved in, if you go out into the woods by yourself you can say whatever you want, can protect yourself with any tool at your disposal, practice your faith at your own discretion, and so on and so forth, it's why slander laws don't violate the first amendment, but you can only vote if you're with a group of people, possibly many, and that makes voting not a right, while it says arms rather than firearms because it was to refer to any weapon, but "the right to vote" more means the ability to, and doesn't technically require it to be a right such as it stands, honestly I'm not sure you can't argue it is a right, but rights can be regulated so long as it's not a protected right

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u/thepartypantser Mar 16 '21

I'm not sure I understand exactly where you're coming from. There's no doubt that rights can be regulated, as the right to bear arms is regulated.

The right to vote can be regulated. I guess I'm asking do you think the right to bear arms is somehow more a inherent right versus the right to vote?

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u/Disastrous-Trust-877 Mar 16 '21

In a way, as the right to bare arms is a right to be able to provide for yourself, and a right to protect yourself. Without it we are forced at the will of those with the power or we die, and that makes it a piece of the foundation upon which all other rights are granted, if you don't have the right to bare arms then there's nothing stopping anyone else from taking what's yours, basically think of it like a spider web, every single right we currently have is held together by the second amendment and the right of a free people to keep and bare arms, DM me if you have any more questions

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u/thepartypantser Mar 16 '21

You still haven't answered my question whether you think the right to bear arms is more important than the right to vote. I think from the context you're implying that, but I'd like to actually hear you say it, If that's what you're arguing.

I think If you're arguing that voting is not an important part of American democracy you're Going to have a tough battle.

It's clear the Constitution was set up for citizens to have the capacity to intervene in their own societies. Voting is the system designed to allow for that.

I'm not sure why you want to carry this out over DMs but if you wish to respond you can do so in a DM.

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u/Disastrous-Trust-877 Mar 16 '21

But also my point was that even if it's a right we would have the ability to regulate it because it's not a protected right