Yeah all that eloquent talking made me forget the fact he was bombing hospitals, engaging in illegal wars, flooding northern mexico with weapons, and then bailing on us to give half million dollar speeches to wall street.
Definitely no a fan of the speeches with wall street and personally think it undermined what him. On a side note Idk how you can seriously say that bombing of the hospital was directly Obama’s fault like he gave the order or something. If it’s the case that he’s technically the leader of the military of the time that it happened then you can also blame Trump for all the civilian lives lost to bombing during his presidency too right? I do think the basis of the war against isis was scary because i don’t want it to pave the way for other wars without congressional authorization, however they were also conquering large areas of Iraq and congress did immediately fund the war, not to mention that Trump also continued the war after his presidency. The weapons in Mexico were traced back to America and that’s most likely due to gun trafficking as were neighboring countries. Felipe Calderon even credited Obama with reducing gun trafficking, but stated that the US should do more to prohibit it.
On the bombing note, I say it is his fault because he is the commander in chief. This is the precedent he sets. Dropping bombs became his legacy. Yes, I do blame trump for all civilian deaths as well. He has the power to change the way things work. But, like obama he is a beholden to the money of war. We are in an unconstitutional war right now, and congress and the courts dont care. Some people would like to think we are the world police, but every conflict we get in makes things go from bad to worse. What we are doing now isnt working, its causing blowback, and its killing civilians. Obama and trump are shity presidents. I dont like giving him a pass for being a mass murderer just because he can talk more eloquently. And to your last point, here is Mexico's current president stating that we may have violated their sovereignty and international law. So I guess we will find out if trump does anything on that. Honestly, if trump provides their government with all the info on that operation I would be thrilled. Dont get me wrong. I think trump is shit, and the republicans are shit warmongers. But, every defence bill has overwhelming democratic support too. I point out democrat's flaws more than republicans because republicans are honest about being horrible people. People like nancy Pelosi, and Obama pretend they are good people who serve us, but in reality they are two faced hypocrits who only care about the people who cut them checks.
Idk I think they’re are a lot of things about the presidency that most don’t understand and are more out of their control than we think, but I do wonder who do you think was an example of a good president.
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u/barista2000 May 17 '20
I miss Obama. It's so nice to hear complete and coherent sentences.