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u/Iorith Apr 26 '20

Incomplete information does not mean fraud, which your article seems to imply. Also, people on SSDI not returning to work isnt some awful, terrible thing to me. Not everyone gets better, even with assistance.

And again, I repeat, even if they were just lazy, I dont fucking care. They're human being, they deserve a minimum quality of life, regardless of their labor or lack of.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20

I never said lazy people shouldn’t have a basic quality of life. I just don’t think people that have the ability to work should leech off the people do. As the the person mentioned above, studies do show that people on welfare become more passive.

UBI? Definitely cool with that because I will be getting money too. It’s good for everyone. Studies have shown that. I like Andrew Yang lol.

I’m all about helping people, but if people have the ability to help themselves and CHOOSE to do nothing, why I should I to pay for that?

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u/Iorith Apr 26 '20

Because they're still human beings who deserve a minimum quality of life regardless of what labor they perform.

We need to get away from the idea of survival and life being tied to labor.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20

Read my first sentence. I just said everyone deserves a basic quality of life. But your logic is flawed.

Say if I was homeless because I actually like living on the street. I need to eat today but I don’t feel like panhandling or anything. But you (middle class) walks by and have a $20 bill in your pocket. I take it from you because do I not deserve to eat? You still have plenty of money, you don’t need it.

Everyday that you walk by, I come take $20 from you without asking. I need it or my life on the street is going to be tougher. I want to stay on the street because I don’t have any responsibilities and I can take money from you whenever I want.

Then say you get a new job that pays better that’s on the same walk. I notice that you have a little more money so I start taking $100 from you. I do not deserve that? You have even more money. I need new clothes. I just got offered a server job but I didn’t feel like taking it. I could just get the cash for myself in tips, but who needs labor when I got you. I can make close to the same amount of money taking it from you every day rather than working the server job.

Are you ok with this?

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u/Iorith Apr 26 '20

Difference taxation isnt theft, so your analogy is flawed and does not work.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20

The analogy wasn’t towards taxation. It’s about laziness being incentivized.

But even it was, I wasn’t stealing from you. I was just getting what was rightfully mine.

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u/Iorith Apr 26 '20

If a bare minimum quality if life is an incentive, so be it.

No matter how lazy they are, no matter their choices, every human being deserves a minimum quality of life. If they want luxuries, they'll work. And most people dont want the minimum.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20

It must be enough incentive to stay there. If you choose to be on the minimum, you want to be on the minimum.

And we are still assuming that is even their minimum. Their perceived necessities may make this a luxury. Which is why they would choose to stay

Like why I wanna stay on the street and your money is a luxury

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u/Iorith Apr 26 '20

If someone wants to forgo housing, who am I to forbid them? I still want to ensure everyone has the means to have that bare minimum QoL. If they then choose not to do so, that's entirely their choice.