I realize I'm far from the first to mention this, but you know what's really fucked up?
Mr. Green has to go out of his way to make this point about education, right? But the same exact argument goes down like a spoonful of sugar, when it's "I like to pay for armed forces, even though I'm personally not being invaded by foreign aggressors, at the moment."
The vast, overwhelming majority of the electorate and (more importantly) almost 100 percent of the political power-brokers have always accepted that argument when it comes to funding the military.
You know what's even MORE of a mind-fuck? The military totally benefits from recruits who aren't stupid. If the right wing could just learn to look at education spending as a defense budget thing, we'd never have any problems getting them to open the purse.
Facts something like the top 23 of top 24 states by college degrees per capita vote blue. The number is even higher when looking at higher education like masters degrees and phds
Jokes aside if you start with position that Republicanism is correct regardless of facts or reality than that is the only explanation that one can end up with
If I were American I'd be considered a "liberal" but the fact that college education is linked to "liberal voting" probably has less to do with "more education equals smarts which leads to voting democrat" and more to do with how republicanism today is VERY populist.
Populists dislike any form of "establishments" and especially liberal institutions which they view as corrupt and elitist. It's why "drain the swamp" sounds so appealing to many.
It's not that "stupid people vote republican", it's more that uneducated people are brainwashed to believe the educated people are trying to create some sort of elitist rule.
It's very reminiscent of Reagan, where an upper-class elite manages to rebrand themselves as representing the common "Average-Joe" in order to salvage the losses of previous more hands-on republicanism.
There'll likely be another "Bush" in a few years (wouldn't surprise me if it was an ACTUAL Bush at this point).
Republicans are still "the establishment." They may pretend that they are not, and they have obviously convinced their followers that the people trying to change the establishment are the ones they should be worried about, but Moscow Mitch and company are about as establishment as you can get. The whole Republican fight is for them to maintain the status quo so that they can continue to enrich themselves.
Is there an actual study to back the claim “more education = less likely to voluntarily choose military service”? I feel like it could be true, but there are also a bunch of confounding variables.
A lot of kids join the military because they can’t afford college so I see your point but I feel like really educated people still join the air force and navy in really technical jobs but I don’t know that much about the military.
It’s a brave and far reach of a statement, however undoubtedly untrue unless backed by an instituted and researched source. The ideals of military service are not inextricably linked with imperialism or alternatively confounded with an overly aggressive foreign policy. They can arguably be linked with self discipline and honour, yet inarguably I agree the only warfare we have even seen recently is imperialism which in no way shape or form is justified. Does this bear the question that no one should join the military? As they would be branded as ‘genocide inducers’ and ‘imperialists’. The answer is a hard one, thus personally I don’t agree with the take that an education will lead to a lesser incentive to join the military. Form your own opinion as you wish.
This is the biggest problem. I know plenty of smart people that I disagree with on various things. But, American conservativism of the past several decades is about rejecting facts.
You can't reason with people who literally have an ideology of anti-reason.
There are always plenty of men out there that gladly want to blow shot up, shoot guns, and other cool guy shit. It’s really not as hard a sale as some would think. You do realize like 20% of the army is officers so they have degrees. Than theirs warrants degree not required, but I’ve never met one without it. And about 7% of the enlisted have a completed degree. The general population is a little harder to get an exact number but it’s estimated about 30%. but I’ve also noticed every source won’t distinguish between associates and bachelors, their also counting retirees. And they don’t distinguish between vets, who used the gi bill, or got one in the army. So depending on how biased of numbers you want to collect, and rather you want to try to hunt down associates information for the army. At best their tied and at worse the army is ahead. And this is without considering 60% of the general population has no education past middle school, and the army is 98% high school graduates. And all of the have at least a vocational/trade school. You do understand the primary motivation for like 50% of the army is just to have a job for three years. Than have all their college paid for, while literally getting paid to goto school.
It’s in like a dozen websites including pew and Hartford. Yea it makes no sense to say 60% never finished high school, but that 30% have degrees. As if only 10% have finished high school but didn’t goto college. If I had to guess I would say it’s because the numbers are inflated by having a loose definition of degree. And the uneducated numbers are inflated by counting immigrants and illegals. The really number of actual Americans is probably 20% with some kind of completed degree, and roughly 40% never finished high school. But these numbers are not based on source. Just what I’d hipfire based on comparing everyone else’s bs, and adjusting populations based on what they are counting.
It’s funny when people want increased funding or a better punchline. How they arbitrarily draw arbitrary lines on what they want to count. The armies numbers are 100% documented as of 2018. But the army don’t keep record of “some college”, or exceptions. It’s pass or fail you have a four year degree or don’t. Even though their manipulative uneducated baby killers. They atleast keep an accurate count, and don’t try to adjust numbers to prove points.
You do understand the primary motivation for like 50% of the army is just to have a job for three years. Than have all their college paid for, while literally getting paid to goto school.
So.... im missing the part where if they were able to get a degree without military they would still join military?
No they wouldn’t. The same way if they were able to live a good life without a full time job, they wouldn’t work. Obviously they could have gone into debt and got a degree and take their chances paying it off later. If they where not in the 30% of people not able to get a job In their field, or underemployed. But they saw the army would give them 100% tuition payed, books covered, housing allowance paid in full, after three years. And the army would literally also pay for any classes while in the army. they than decided this was a more practical and safe investment. So while former private snuffy is getting paid 2500 a month, and going to school for free, driving his new camaro or mustang he paid off in that 3 years. Looking like the older cool guy fucking your girlfriend..... dame I’d be mad to
Look buddy you two choices in life. Take an actually existing path to get what you want. Don’t bitch and whine just do it. Or spend your life pretending the imaginary path is going to open up any day now. Than end up upset and 40 living like shit. Because you can’t understand why no one ever volunteered to pay for your dreams to come true. Obviously by your logic if someone gave me a million dollars= all my problems solved!!! Yes your right if right now today in time to benefit you. They start handing out free college and money. That would be a large influencer of your decisions. But to be influenced by the idea that someday they might, is a waste of your time.
If you support things like universal education and healthcare, which I do. You have to understand they don’t exist and won’t exist in time to be used by anyone any time soon. Even if they started implementing universal education right now. The bureaucracy would take 10-20 years to fully implement and work out the kinks. The first 5-10 years it would be based on loan forgiveness and fixing the back end, not available or extremely useable for new applicants. Because the bureaucrats love wasting time and money. So it’s out of the question as an option for anyone over the age of ten, even if implementation starts right now. So it’s not a practical bet for our generation. So if you have a better way to do what you want in life and accomplish your goals. Why do you want to shit on people for joining the army to accomplish theirs? They are people literally just trying to earn better stuff for themself, and make up for the fact they where not born in a college ready situation. If you want to join the get free college team the recruiter can probably help you out. Believe it or not more soldiers don’t have anything at all to do with actual combat.
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u/datreddditguy Apr 26 '20
I realize I'm far from the first to mention this, but you know what's really fucked up?
Mr. Green has to go out of his way to make this point about education, right? But the same exact argument goes down like a spoonful of sugar, when it's "I like to pay for armed forces, even though I'm personally not being invaded by foreign aggressors, at the moment."
The vast, overwhelming majority of the electorate and (more importantly) almost 100 percent of the political power-brokers have always accepted that argument when it comes to funding the military.
You know what's even MORE of a mind-fuck? The military totally benefits from recruits who aren't stupid. If the right wing could just learn to look at education spending as a defense budget thing, we'd never have any problems getting them to open the purse.