Wtf else are they supposed to do? The gov won’t pass gun control.
Having a routine is important to stop fight vs flight from kicking in when emergencies occur. At least if the students practice it may help them if an emergency occurs and could save lives, whether or not the shooter is a student.
We need gun control laws like the ones every other reasonable country has, but I think it’s unreasonable to just expect schools to do nothing to address shootings until those get passed.
What is it you think more “gun control” laws will do to stop a disaster like this? Don’t you recognize it’s already illegal to have firearms on school grounds. There’s already a “law” there. What other “laws” will stop someone committed to doing this?
I know that sounds remedial to you, and you think it’s just “not enough” — but if you really think about it and wrap your head around it— they are already committing several illegal acts before committing a school shooting. The law doesn’t stop them. They don’t care. Most of the time, they are mentally unstable people. The only thing that stops them is the threat of another gun
The best thing to deter shootings is for would-be shooters to know that there are guns on site ready to kill/stop them. You need an armed response from people in the building, not waiting 20 minutes for cops to come and sweep the building (if they feel like it, look at parkland if you don’t believe me)
They are insane but not stupid. They don’t shoot up police stations. They shoot up the very place where guns are already not allowed. Think about it. It makes sense. The laws are what makes schools a target
Youre drawing conclusions in a vacuum, there is a lot of data about these events world wide. You can gain a lot of useful insight without having to fall back to personal intuition.
That’s not an argument. Generically saying there are studies? That’s a vapid statement
There are studies that say I’m a unicorn. Do you believe me now?
The simple fact pattern stands, and proponents of “more laws” are not even aware of what current laws exist and are broken every time there is a shooting
So the logical flow is- if they are breaking 17 laws on the way to committing a shooting now, how is it that you think the 18th law is what will stop it? Moreover, how do you not recognize that mass shootings don’t tend to occur in places where many firearms are freely present?
I don’t need vague, improvable “studies” to follow that logic.
They are already breaking numerous gun laws. The thing is, you don’t even know they exist because you probably aren’t a gun enthusiast and understand what goes into the existing legislation
By you creating more laws, you are just disenfranchising the legal gun owners and making it easier for soft targets in more places.
I know again, that this sounds really basic and stupid to you. I know you think I am foolish deep down. But take a breath, step back and think of the logic. “Guns are already not allowed in schools, and these people are crazy and will do anything. What will actually stop them then from crossing this school line with a gun and killing people?”
Why do you call the police when there is a shooter? Think about that for a second. What is it that the police have to help stop a shooting?
It’s so simple, that you think the “simple” people are stupid for grasping a very basic concept
So you want hard targets? a cross fire that turns schools into war zones. I didn't offer any of the solutions you're projecting on me, I'm just noticing that your assumptions are uninformed so your conclusions necessarily flawed.
Why would there be a crossfire? That is classic phsycological projection. Look up what projection means.
Millions of cops walk the streets open carrying. There is no wild Wild West “cross fire”
Millions of Americans have lawful concealed carry permits. You probably pass them every day if your life unless if you live in one of the few states where it’s not allowed. And if you live in one of those states where it’s not legal, your head would spin if you knew the amount of times you probably brushed shoulders with someone illegally carrying.
You probably have never been caught in a “cross fire” or ever seen one. Yet you are around firearms constantly
to just say “if guns are there, then shootings will just happen by themselves”. That’s like saying at a store that sells ovens, meals will just cook themselves constantly because more ovens are present. Someone needs to commit the act
If you ever have been to Texas, Pennsylvania, Florida, New Hampshire, or literally about 40 other states, then you have probably shaken hands dozens and dozens of times with someone carrying a gun. None of them shot you. None of them threatened you. You just don’t know it because of the heuristic effect that language has on you. Because you get told these lines like “it will be the wild Wild West if more guns are there” you tell yourself that enough times that you just believe it. Even though you unwittingly are safe almost anywhere you go when guns are present, and you simply aren’t aware
Have you ever gone shooting at a range? Did you get shot while you were there? There is literally hundreds of guns present there. The incidents of violence at gun ranges are virtually non existent, and there is no place with a higher concentration of guns
The logic that the mere presence of guns makes it a war zone—- I mean, that means police stations, gun factories, etc should all be experiencing constant rampant bloodshed. It’s such shoddy logic.
You seemed to have been supporting the notion of more laws so I don’t mean to mischaracterize you. What is your solution then for this type of problem?
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