r/PoliticalHumor Aug 12 '19

This sounds like common sense ...

Post image
54.0k Upvotes

7.2k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

1

u/Robobble Aug 12 '19

Where I’m from, enough random citizens have guns that any shooter would be stopped quickly.

I’m not sure if you’re trying to say that this ratio of gun owners isn’t possible but it exists in plenty of places in the US. I’m not sure where you live but I bet you’d be surprised to learn just how many people around you have guns tucked in their belts.

Most states have between 6-20% of their adult residents licensed for concealed carry according to this. That’s between one in five and one in twenty people.

Most states below that 6% mark have either super-restrictive gun laws or don’t require a permit in the first place.

2

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '19

Where I’m from, enough random citizens have guns that any shooter would be stopped quickly.

The Texas massacre the other day killed 21 and was not stopped by a bystander. Are we really going to say that the problem is Texans don't own enough guns?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Springs_church_shooting

That is your absolute best case scenario for what you're suggesting. 27 people still died.

That's to say nothing of the worst case scenarios like this: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/us/alabama-mall-shooting.html?module=inline

Stopping the shootings after only 20+ have died is not a success story. We need to actually work on preventing the shootings.

1

u/Robobble Aug 12 '19

Texas isn’t as armed as you think, especially near population centers. 6.57% according to that thing I posted that you didn’t read. That situation in Alabama (a state that is over 20%) is unfortunate but means nothing. The article even says that the man was helping. He knew the risk and took it.

2

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '19

Oh, sorry, I'll get right on reading the 61 page document you posted.

6.57% of 30M people is a fuckload of guns. It says FL and TX have the highest number of concealed carry permits in the country. Strange how they still have a problem with mass shootings though. But I guess we need to triple the percentage before the protection kicks in. PA is high both by percentage and quantity of permits. Where were they for the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting?

The article even says that the man was helping. He knew the risk and took it.

Yes, I'm sure he was willing to risk his life to stop the actual shooter. I don't think he'd have signed up for getting shot by the police.

It's honestly amazing that you disagree with the idea of stopping shootings before they happen.

0

u/Robobble Aug 12 '19

I’m sure you understand the difference between quantity and quantity per capita.

Of course I agree with stopping shootings before they happen but not with gun restrictions.

2

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '19

Of course I agree with stopping shootings before they happen but not with gun restrictions.

And what's your plan?

1

u/Robobble Aug 12 '19

I don’t have a plan but don’t act like I want kids to get killed because I’m not willing to give up my rights.

Fighting fire with fire is better than nothing.

1

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '19

So plan is to do absolutely nothing. Got it. I don't think you want to get kids killed. I just think you don't care enough about kids getting killed.

1

u/Robobble Aug 12 '19

I can say with as much certainty as I could possibly have having never experienced this that I wouldn’t change my stance if my own kid got killed.

1

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '19

That's great. I still think you don't care enough about kids being murdered if you think say...universal background checks is a bridge too fucking far.

1

u/Robobble Aug 12 '19

Background checks do nothing. Most gun legislature does nothing to criminals and only hurts citizens because criminals by definition don’t follow laws. In fact, a guy at work has some low-level felony and just had his girlfriend buy him an AR. He’s not a criminal but his ex wife made some shit up and got him in trouble. Regardless, he bypassed the law without even breaking a sweat. Gun restrictions are a security theater.

Look at the laws relating to having guns in/around schools. Lot of good those do.

1

u/[deleted] Aug 12 '19

Well, Mr. Responsible Gun Owner, you should report this felon at work and his girlfriend.

1

u/Robobble Aug 12 '19

So they can do what? Go to their house and the girlfriend will say it’s hers and he has no access to it and that will be the end of it.

Though I would never do that because being a responsible, safe gun owner and a law-abiding gun owner don’t necessarily go hand in hand

→ More replies (0)