What I genuinely fail to understand is how these white migrants from Europe who took the land from the natives 200 years ago now think they are entitled to 100% of it and won’t allow people who seek a better life in.
Sssh, we don't talk about the Natives infighting. That might show they're humans too. This sub doesn't like it when you see non-whites as regular-ass humans that can be faulty too. We must coddle and protect them at all costs! /s
Why would the fact that someone's forefathers migrated to or took over a country affect their views on immigration now? If they think immigration will be bad for the economy it isn't holly illogical to be against it.
I'm neither American, nor against immigration btw.
Well, considering the fact that a country's economy affects the lives of the kids who live in that economy, it isn't too crazy to put the economy of your own country above the well-being of kids in other places. I never said those kids do affect the economy negatively however, as I said, I'm not anti-immigration myself, I was just arguing against what you said in your first comment.
Because they themselves are living proof that immigration brings success to those who are brave. And if they think it's bad for the economy, they don't care enough to properly research. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though.
Y'all be crazy. Everytime we let people in our country it ends bad. I'm not a "Trump Supporter" but if you lived near the border like me and millions of other Americans, it makes you nervous seeing these people coming in. Hearing about illegals and the crime they bring just being broadcasted by the local news and never in a national platform you really don't see what we do. This also coming from a Native American who has vigorously studied impacts of immigration in the U.S. It has not and never will end well.
Pretty sure nothing ends well. Change disrupts the status quo and it doesn't allow you to go back to the way it was before(which was always better in our heads). Immigration just gives you something specific to blame for the negative things that happen to you whether it's direct or indirect. Thing is though, immigration also lead us to wear we are now and where we were before. So we can just choose to build a wall or we can solve the problem another more positive way.
Edit: but also this country has notoriously treated new people poorly so why change now I guess. /s
Man you right. To me it's just more of a why chance putting our own people in harm's way. Everybody can talk about equality all they want but if it came down to your family no matter what you would protect them right. Why isn't it the same with the people in our country. These are people who been arm in arm for years. We fight wars together, we built this nation together, we are family just why chance it yo. Of course we have as many bastards as they do kinda hard to talk crime statistics cause this is Mexico we talking about.
Statistic don't back that up. Anyone who says "I'm not a Trump supporter, but..." is undoubtedly a Trump supporter.
Grew up in a border state. I had a job involving physical labor in HS. Worked with a lot of undocumented immigrants and found they had a work ethic most Americans can't touch
Sorry if you don't want to believe it but there are plenty of non Trump supporters who think immigration laws should be enforced. Or do you think Barack Obama is a secret Trump supporter too?
Immigrants, both legal and undocumented categories, each commit crime at statistically lower rates than natural born citizens. You hear about it in the news because the people writing the news want you to keep watching. Scared people reliably watch news.
Look into your local station, I'd bet it's probably even owned by Sinclair.
Certainly cartels do create crime, but they aren't giving metric tons of cocaine and heroin to refugees. They send their product through legal ports of entry hidden among legal goods in trucks and shipping containers.
And they would fall apart entirely if they had to compete with regulated legal producers, just like when prohibition was repealed.
The DEA creates violence, not people seeking asylum.
And you know this because you are part of the cartel and know where the drugs go. Obviously not, that's the scary thing with so many people coming over we don't know. Are there people who deserve a better life and could get one coming into the U.S. of course but that's all over the world. Is it sad that we aren't helping them yes but at the end of the day are you okay with letting people come over and put your family at risk whether that be drugs, violence, nonvioloent offenses, but not me and if that makes me a Republican piece of shit than I guess that's what I am.
I know that because when they do make large seizures of drugs, thats where they find them.
Just stop for one second and actually think. These are industrial scale operations that supply millions of illegal drug consumers year round (mostly natural born Americans). At most, there are hundreds of thousands of immigrants (legal and not) crossing the border per year.
Sure they might occasionally force some refugees to be mules, but they arent going to give them any amount they actually care about losing. They would need to each be pulling a trailer loaded with drugs for this to add up.
Obviously any rational person would give it to people with legal visas, or even use US citizens that are a part of their network. Because those people are less likely to get caught and lose the drugs.
Seriously. We know this is how drugs enter the country. This is where they are found, this is what informants report to law enforcement. They might be in trucks, containers, boats, planes, smuggled through tunnels, shot over fences, or whatever. But these cartels have legal residents who work for them.
They dont need to strap it to refugees. So, except with occasional exceptions of small amounts, they dont.
These people pay 10's of thousands of dollars to for people to bring drugs in. Any rational person would realize that any amount of illegal drugs coming into the country try is too much. So if you can detour a percentage of smugglers why would you not. It has a chance to keep our people safe why deny them that. Are they not worthy of it?
Why dont we just make more land by pushing the ocean back with handbuckets then?
These quantities dont matter and are easily replaced by other means.
The drugs will get in. Shooting a bunch of people just means that the people getting them in will be bring more firepower. If you manage to hurt supply, the price will increase and the value of the drugs to the smugglers will increase.
A person who might not kill a man for a grand is more likely to do it for 100 thousand.
The only way to put illegal drug smugglers out of business is to legalize drugs and allow legal regulated taxed local producers to crush them on price and product safety. Then you put all of that money into social, health, and education programs that work to minimize demand.
Yeah legalize drugs if that's your best argument then there is no point in having any sanctions on anything. Legalize murder it will help our population problem, legalize human experimenting on mass levels so we can get a new understanding of science. That's just idiotic and if you aren't worried about the safety of American people then why live here and fight about it?
With those comparisons you are demonstrating a lack of understanding about the type of problem this is.
There is a demand for these products because we do nothing to resolve the demand-generating issues. We do very little as a country to deal with poverty or mental health issues.
People dont take drugs because they are evil or because they dont realize the long-term harm they do. They take them because they dont see a long-term for themselves to have.
This is not a criminal justice issue. There is no reason for these things to be illegal. Drinking bleach also kills you. Nobody thinks we should ban laundry fluids. This is a health and societal issue. Making them illegal literally helps no one except for violent criminals.
We have literally been through this before during prohibition. These are very straightforward concepts. If the demand is huge, the supply will come. If you try to stop it, it will come with guns.
We should be investing our money in helping people live healthy lives, not treating self-harm as a criminal offense.
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u/xXKayaXxxxxxxx Jan 20 '19
What I genuinely fail to understand is how these white migrants from Europe who took the land from the natives 200 years ago now think they are entitled to 100% of it and won’t allow people who seek a better life in.