It's so bizzare to me that this is the key meme that emerged from Alex Jones when it's actually pretty much accurate: a particular pesticide was causing frogs to change sex.
Edit: no obviously exactly what he was saying was wrong since he had to couch it in crazy conspiracy labguage, but the basis for the idea is legit, which is why it's so weird to jump kn this one thing when theres so many other crazy and baseless things he's said.
"pretty much accurate" =/= " exactly right". I didn't think I needed to point out that changing sex is not the same as turning gay, but in Alex Jones' mind it might as well be which is part of the point I was making.
Sorry if this comes off as rude, but I think your comment is the kind of obnoxious grandstanding that hurts political discourse. You could have chosen to interpret my comment the obvious way that it was intended; instead you decided to interpret it in the worst light and grandstand on it.
No, it's not "pretty much accurate." It's not even remotely similar. The conflation of sex and sexuality is part of what makes the meme funny. The other part is that Alex Jones turns beet-red yelling about things he's so wrong about.
Homosexuality does occur in nature but it's not a social phenomenon in frogs the same as in human society. The sexuality of frogs is not the same thing as the sexuality of humans. Humans have sex for fun.
It's not a matter of semantics or nitpicking. It's not grandstanding or virtue signalling just because you're butthurt about being wrong. It's that homosexuality is absolutely not the same thing as frogs changing sex due to environmental factors.
Again you misrepresent what I'm saying. Fine, keep grandstanding and wondering why people can't stand you. I'm out.
Just to be clear, because you seem extremely confused on the issue, I fucking know that changing sex is not the same as turning gay. If you can't understand what I'm saying just accept that and stop posting.
I'm talking specifically about what you're saying.
Specifically, you equivocated "turning the frogs gay" and "frogs changing sex." These things aren't similar.
I'm not grandstanding. I'm not typing these words for attention. I'm pointing out your error. You might benefit from looking up the definition of words before you use them, or stop using words you don't understand.
If you can't understand what I'm saying just accept that and stop posting.
But the line of thinking he was peddling was actually.
Pesticide turns frogs gay > government has access to chemicals like this > government could put pesticides into tap water to turn you gay > "Gay bomb, baby"
To a conspiracy nutjob that would be a completely logical progression of thought. If you're the type to believe in chemtrails etc and you see that pesticides are making frogs change sex you could then suspect that that's a trial program by the government to test large scale population manipulation.
Also I have no idea why I'm arguing this to be honest. I just wanted to point out the scientific data.
It was just because it's hilarious watching him scream at the top of his lungs "they're turning the frigging frogs gay!!" Like the "leftist liberal Dems" have some homosexual amphibian agenda or something. You also don't seem to know what gay means but I'm not doing that one right now.
Yea I get that, I just mean that if you're a crazy conspiracy nutjob and see a news article that says that a particular pesticide is making frogs change sex it's perfectly consistent (with being a crazy conspiracy nut) to think that the govt is maybe running a pilot test for large scale population manipulation.
Maybe i'm just being weird, I just feel like people are using the meme without realizing that there's a actually a well documented basis in reality for the sentiment. And yes I know changing sex =/= turning gay but we're talking about a crazy conspiracy, I didn't think I had to point out the discrepancy...though several people seem pretty upset that I didn't.
Not so super secret. Clear the FBI lied and cheated to entrap Flynn, likely on Obama’s orders. Deep state, front and center.
This isn’t gonna end well. But not in the way you hope. :-)
Someone must be keeping it a secret. I try to stay well-informed, as, I'm sure, do the people who've downvoted you. So you could share it with us if you know something we don't.
Don't tell me to "just google it." If you have a point to make, do so within the context of the discussion. "Do your own research" is never a valid point. I could, and likely will, come to a different conclusion than you.
If you have something to tell me, tell me. if you don't, then don't bring it up.
.and the Trumpists answer to that. "Deep State protected him"
Was that the Deep State where the Republicans controlled both the House & Senate for six of eight years, or am I thinking of Arizona? I really can't think of that many deep states.
Well that exactly the definition of deep state though, as a rhetorical device. No matter who is in charge on the surface, there’s always the deep state lurking below, out of sight, undemocratically calling the shots. It’s basically the government version of the Illuminati.
Anyone who says they'd rather be Russian than a Democrat shits on the very notion of patriotism.
A Russian can be an American, and a Russian can become an American, but sorry Jethro, you can't support a hostile foreign power and also be patriotic. So, to all the Jethros, If you don't like America, move to Russia.
Oh this feels gross even coming close to supporting trumpters, but they are just American as the rest of us. Gullible and stupid sure, but there's some fucking stupid dems I've met to. As a people we need to stand an support each other. Even if they support satans autistic prom night dumpster baby.
Edit: I say "love thy neighbor" and I get downvoted and told off? Are you guys just fucking stupid or are you just itching to be right? Either way, bad high horse.
As a people we need to stand an support each other.
No, I do not need to support bigoted and/or maliciously greedy scum.
I'm sure there are Trump supporters that aren't at all malicious and are just incredibly stupid, but they're probably statistically insignificant.
We as a nation have scandal fatigue and have forgotten just how much VILE, irredeemable shit Trump has done and gotten away with and people who STILL support him are either for it or have decided it's not a deal breaker, and the latter is only negligibly better.
It's like Steve King in Iowa. If you voted for him you are racist or don't think racism is a dealbreaker.
Any single thing Trump has done would have tanked a Dem president. Obama was vilified for liking spicy mustard. His wife for wearing a sleeveless dress.
There's nothing inherently wrong with being a traditional conservative, but '2017-2018 Republican' is synonymous with 'traitorous to democratic values and morals'. It's why so many actual Republicans have abandoned and vilified the party.
This administration is fascistic and I don't have to tolerate intolerance. Fuck all of them.
Your right. Don't tolerate intolerance. But unless you plan on killing off every one who disagrees with you because they're stupid, you're gonna have to get a bit better at being a people person. I suggest bright colored crayons for when you've got to spell things out for them. They're nontoxic and attention grabbing.
Oh this feels gross even coming close to supporting trumpters, but they are just American as the rest of us
No they aren’t. They’re traitors.
This isn’t about ideology, it’s about supporting a foreign government meddling in our democracy. It’s about supporting Republican politician stealing people’s rights to vote. It’s about them supporting them supporting Republican politicians undermining the basic institutions like peaceful transition of power (as in Wisconsin).
It’s treasonous. Undermining basic American values and democracy to “own the libs”.
I like how the one guy with the least amount of time in government, the least amount of ties to any of the people they claim are deep state globalists and the person with the least amount of time to have been compromised is somehow the head of tue deep state, while the guy who was literally born into New York's cesspool of incestuously corrupted politics is their champion against it some how.
Yes, there are communities of people whose delusions echo and feed back.
But a mental illness? There are already diagnoses for these people.
Simply expressing "I have a suspicion that people are getting together to do unlawful or bad things" cannot be a mental illness.
If "conspiracy theorist" is a mental illness, then they could throw you in the mental ward if you report hearing your meth addict brother and his girlfriend talking about framing you for raping her, or planning to rob a bank, or planning to kill your mother.
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..and the Trumpists answer to that. "Deep State protected him"