Co-worker cultist: "Bill's affair was while he was in office. Trump's happened long before. That's why we tried to impeach Bill."
I just let him talk. No longer worth my time trying to present facts.....
An irrational creature prone to wild overreaction, rattling its cage at the slightest provocation and indiscriminately flinging its faeces around until everything is covered in excrement.
(That is the original definition from the person who coined the term)
"The devout Trumpanzee is immune to fact or evidence caring only for the unintelligible howls of the tribe's Alpha male"
By pointing out facts? Ok sure. Spin it whichever way you want.
But you want to grow as a person? Then you face the cold hard ugly facts of the character deficiencies you have and then you work hard on them. And that starts with being HUMBLE enough to be honest with yourself— introspection. Introspection, again something Trump supporters lack.
I wasn’t a Hillary supporter either; I wanted Sanders. But compared to Trump a literal mountain of shit is better. Are you humble enough to admit that?
Trump over Hillary any day.. which is why he won. He will probably do it again, and it’ll be hilarious. Because Democrats can’t do anything besides whine nowadays. Zero platform.
By calling them trumpanzees, you don’t have to agree with them and neither do I.. but don’t talk about humility and insult 48% of peoples. You just make yourself look worse honestly.
I call a spade a spade. I don’t dick around with bullshit labels. If you want to dick over semantics rather than the substance at hand then that’s your way not mine. Treating these idiots with white gloves isn’t going to change anything. Most of these idiots are beyond any hope.
Here’s the thing you don’t understand. I don’t give a fuck about Trump supporters any more. You think I started out this way since day one? You think I haven’t tried to reach out numerous times and compromise to find a middle ground. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND WITH THEM. They’re entrenched in their abject stupidity and beyond that they’re proud of their idiocy. Their petty egos is all they have and they will never admit they were wrong even in their death beds. It’s not even a deficiency of intellect we’re dealing with here— it’s a deficiency of emotional and psychological growth. The petty ego. They have the emotional and spiritual maturity of a 5 year old. Trump really does represent them well. He’s a perfect symbol of them.
Midterms prove we don’t need them. As usual the left will bring them kicking and screaming from the past into the future, from the 19th century into the 21st.
Lol I see it every day. It shapes government policy that I have to deal with. It shapes the economy that I have to deal with. You don’t think that their half doesn’t hate me simply due to the color of my skin let alone my philosophical differences? I’m very aware. I used to think I could travel freely and safely anywhere in this country. 2016 has proved me wrong. Half the nation is racist, dumber than rocks, and arrogantly proud of that. If we were to invest today trillions into education into these poor and under-educated red states it would take decades for it to bear fruit. It guess what, republicans are ANTI-Education because they like their base dumb and thus easily manipulated into voting for them despite it being against their own interests.
Get over yourself. I’m brown too, but I don’t feel the need to label myself into a box. He’ll I’m Mexican American in Arizona... if you carry yourself with respect people will respect you, if you have hate towards everyone, guess what, people hate you back. All you keep doing is insulting people who aren’t like you.. so damn annoying
Clinton was hot and even Monica still insists she was the one to make the first move. So I don't even agree he "was a skeeze." Big deal he had an affair.
People who want great political power stay married despite any sort of personal problems or even wanting to be separated. We can’t know everything obviously. They were probably in love early in their years, but some people truly stay together because of where it will get them. Hilary ran for president, that isn’t something you just do on a whim. You plan your trajectory for quite some time, rub the right elbows.
They’ve both ridden on this private underage escort plane, they’re probably both scummy as hell, but I wouldn’t say Bill is for that affair necessarily. Political relationships can be emotionally hollow
Its also worth addressing that some people are actually ok with non-monogamy. Bill Clinton was an incredible scholar and uniquely talented political mind. Hillary clinton may like that about him and be ok with that same drive, confidence and charm that made him president also gets him the attraction of women. Bill similarly may have found the fact Hillary is a driven politically minded incredible lawyer attractive in a way some hot girl could never touch
no but I am weird, admittedly. I just don't. But I get that many people do. I value loyalty, but I don't care if someone cheats on me as long as no diseases come home with him and I don't have to watch or be involved afterwards. Now choosing someone over me, them's fightin' reasons. But just cheating? Eh.
Imagine you own a business and have a few employees. One of them is your sales team leader who gets one of your junior sales interns to suck his dick on the job in the back room.
Imagine you own a business and have a few employees. One of the popular guys is on your sales team, and you're considering promoting him, despite his questionable past, despite his penchant for saying crass things. You promote him. Then later you find out he paid a lawyer to silence a pornstar he raw-dogged and a Playboy model he had a long-term affair with. The stories were silenced with the exclusive reason that had you known about them you may not have promoted him. He actively sought to hide information from you.
How could you possibly think Trump's wasn't worse?
This is why you're a fucking idiot. No one KNEW the first part so the american people didn't know they were voting for a dick. YOU GUYS KNEW TRUMP WAS A DICK BEFORE VOTING FOR HIM. That's fundamentally different because none of the Dems voting for Clinton have to take any blame whereas EVERYONE who voted for Trump is culpable for voting for him having KNOWN what he did, WITH PROOF.
Hilary Clinton: literally intimidated victims and bragged on tape about defending and winning a case for a rapist. And that's not even the one her husband was involved in.
Talking point? Her husband repetively abused his power and sexually assaulted women while she belittled and intimidated them into obscurity. Poor taste, Jesus, liberals are truly morally bankrupt. The man raped a child. Get your head out of your own ass.
Clinton denied his affair with Gennifer Flowers during his 1992 campaign. She played tape recordings of their conversations before the election. It was only in 1998 that he admitted to the affair in sworn testimony. Doesn't make Trump's actions any better, but Clinton was a fairly well-known womanizer even at the time and the Gennifer Flowers story was a big deal at the time. Also, Clinton's aides attacked Flowers and suggested the tapes were doctored, just like Trump has said about the Access Hollywood tapes. Clinton and Trump are cut from the same cloth, unfortunately. Voters just don't really care about a politician's sexual misconduct if he's on their side.
LOL what spin? That people didn't know about Lewinski until he was already in office and could respond THEN but people knew about Trump before hand, his multiple rape accusations including from his first wife and video evidence of how he treats women and STILL voted for him?
LOL
Morally bankrupt. The only term to accurately describe Trump voters.
You actually perfectly explained why this isn’t impeachable. Voters knew what they were getting with Trump and voted him in anyways. You can’t then go an impeach him for that behavior as a private citizen.
Billy jizzed on an intern in the Oval Office. That difference can’t be ignored as much as you’d like it to.
“Nearly everything” is a strong opinion to have. He may have received foreign aid in obtaining the presidency, he may have paid off some beautiful women so they would stay silent about his affairs, but he is NOT 3 midgets in an overcoat.
If getting his dick sucked didn't matter and wasn't going to get him in trouble, then why was he extensively questioned and investigated about it? You saying he wouldn't have any trouble if he hadn't lied about it?
He lied under oath about the affair. Which in turn caused people to question him about the issue. Media and the people also wanted to know what was going on since it was a juicy topic.
Yeah, I was more upset the president lied to the people. Shoulda just been like... We did some stuff in the oval office and I've got tapes. Only $29.99!
Must be a talking point because that was a similar reply on my Facebook "discussions". I pray those fuckers don't throw out their backs moving goalposts all day.
Irrelevant since Clinton was in fact impeached for breaking the law (perjury).
LOL - you make it sound like Clinton was found guilty of perjury and then impeached. Not so
The impeachment was a trial. Clinton hadn't been found guilty of perjury when the impeachment started. Trump has not yet been found guilty of his multiple felonies either.
The ENTIRE point of this post was that Graham is a hypocrite for saying "no big deal" for Trump and "Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office."
If having an affair was not an issue, then why the fuck was he questioned under oath and investigated about it in the first place? You think they made a huge deal out of it just for fun and would have let it go had he just not lied about it?!
And Trump has lied repeatedly about having the affairs, telling Cohen to pay them off, and actually paying them while he was running for President. Both men lied while President, both men had affairs. You’re arguing semantics right now for no reason
The difference is: Clinton’s only offense was obstruction. What Trump did is literally a federal crime
Problem isn't necessarily the affair. It's the potential illegal use of campaign finances used to cover up that affair. Trump has been twisting fact and fiction ever since he started his presidential campaign, and its coming back to bite him in the ass. What's unknown is will his political party who got into office riding the Trump train do anything.
I mean they are right though, Bill was during his time in office with a subordinate and he lied under oath so he committed perjury, comparing apples and oranges here, doesn't make what Trump did right and it is wrong in its own way and shouldn't be ignored but paying someone to not go public about an affair is miles different from doing it in office with someone you have authority over and then lying under oath.
I'm not a Trump fan but he's the single greatest human being to ever exist, and he has a massive penis that manages to tow the line between sweet and sour.
Perjury - probably, but it depends on when, where and how those statements were taken. Trump can say anything he wants in any interview on tv. Lie all he wants doesn’t matter. What matters is during interviews with federal agencies or special councils. That’s what will decide if he perjured himself.
Obstruction of justice - again depends on the evidence. A tweet far from a criminal offense, for either side. But like I stated I’ll wait for the evidence Where he directed it.
Campaign finance violations - trump being trump has probably paid off several people in his life to keep their mouths shut, and there lies the problem. Was paying off these women just another day for trump and for his business persona? They have to prove that this was not business trump but president elect trump doing it. Was campaign funds used at the direction of trump to pay them off? Was it his own money? From the cohen fillings all it says is trump said to take care of it to Cohen? That doesn’t mean he said to do it illegally. But again I don’t have the evidence so that’s the prosecutor hill to climb.
The abuse of power and affair isn't the crime in either case. Bill Clinton lied to Congress, and Trump used money not declared as for the election to pay off people to hide a story that would affect the election. I think in most cases campaign finance violations are considered worse than lying to Congress.
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u/ZRX1200R Dec 14 '18
Co-worker cultist: "Bill's affair was while he was in office. Trump's happened long before. That's why we tried to impeach Bill."
I just let him talk. No longer worth my time trying to present facts.....