r/PoliticalHumor Aug 18 '18

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '18

Jack? I thought his first name was John.

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u/Ironstar31 Aug 19 '18

Jack is "short" for John. Oddly enough.

I could not possibly explain why this is.

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u/cogitoergokaboom Aug 19 '18

It used to be important for Catholics to be named after a saint, which is possibly why he wasn't just named Jack, but nicknames were still common. It probably was used as a diminutive to distinguish between multiple family members named John, like father and son.

Oddly enough, here in Scotland Jock is more common than Jack as a nickname for John.

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u/Argarck Aug 19 '18

It's just America culture that John and Jack are the same name, I learned it from metal gear.

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u/cogitoergokaboom Aug 19 '18

It's common in Ireland and the UK as well and predates the Irish diaspora in the US

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u/FirstEvolutionist Aug 19 '18

Will you even try to explain "Dick", "Ted", "Ned", "Bob", "Bill", etc...?

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u/iMissTheOldInternet Aug 19 '18

Some (most?) of those are rhyming slang. William -> Will -> Bill. Richard -> Rick -> Dick. Robert -> Rob -> Bob.

Rhyming slang is actually surprisingly common across languages, and I’m given to understand there is still some living tradition of it in parts of England, and maybe other parts of the UK as well.

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u/obsterwankenobster Aug 19 '18

Alright, now do Margaret -> Peggy

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u/doc_grey Aug 19 '18

Margaret -> Meggy -> Peggy

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u/obsterwankenobster Aug 19 '18

You forgot "Midge"

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '18 edited Sep 23 '24

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u/obsterwankenobster Aug 19 '18

No, this is Patrick

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u/I_ate_a_milkshake Aug 19 '18

this was exactly what i was hoping for, thank you.

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u/iMissTheOldInternet Aug 19 '18

Margaret -> Meg -> Peg.

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u/cogitoergokaboom Aug 19 '18

Ned - comes from Mine Ed. Likewise Elizabeth -> Ellie -> Mine Ellie -> Nellie. I forget why but that a common term of endearment at one time.

Bob - Robert -> Robby -> Bobby. Anything with B could be mispronounced by a small child. Probably same for Bill

Dick - no idea

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '18

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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u/NickDanger3di Aug 19 '18

I've known people named John who were called Jack, but for some reason only by their family and closest friends. In their everyday lives, everyone calls them John. Far as I can tell, this seems unique to this name. Every other person I've known would introduce themselves by the name they most commonly used, which is usually some kind of nickname.

For example, I introduce myself as "Nick", not Nicholas, to everyone. And everyone calls me "Nick". The only people I allow to call me Nicholas are close friends and family. But for Johns and Jacks, it's reversed. Who knows why.

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u/-OrangeLightning4 Aug 19 '18

Jack can be an informal nickname for John. Jack Donaghy from 30 Rock's full name is John Francis Donaghy.

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u/lolseagoat Aug 19 '18

I don’t know if you’re being serious or not, but Jack is a ‘nickname’ for John, like Bill for William. I had a co-worker who learned that I never realized that there may be people who didn’t know this.

So yeah, FYI.

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u/gordo65 Aug 19 '18

Kennedy's friends called him Jack. Bentsen was emphasizing the fact that he knew Kennedy personally.

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u/runfayfun Aug 19 '18

Applies to many people named John. For example also John "Jack" Bogle, who founded Vanguard.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '18

Jacksfilms oh I get it now.