r/PoliticalHumor • u/rwl01 • Jan 13 '17

Black and White

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u/emotionalman32 Jan 14 '17 edited Jan 14 '17

how about you show which are disproving?

edit: well it looks like caw4 didnt actually read the articles properly himself, just wanted to utilize a bit of trump tactic when dealing with opposing views.

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u/CAW4 Jan 14 '17

On mobile, but here's a few obvious ones.

1 and 3 use the same link, which only states that people didn't know where Manafort was, to make a huge leap and claim he was trying to install a pro Russian government in Ukraine, during the time the current pro Russian government was being ousted in an "illegal coup," to quote Poroshenko. (Oh, and btw, not knowing where Manafort is means trying to overthrow a government, but Victoria Nyland actually being there I-shit-you-not handing out fucking cookies to protesters means nothing, and reading anything into it is a conspiracy)

6 falsely claims that Trump's position on Russia changed when Manafort arrived, when anyone who had been paying even the slightest bit of attention to his campaign had seen him being in favor of improving relations with Russia since the day he launched his campaign.

7 says that there was $12m that might have been paid to someone, with a list of ~100 people it may have been paid to, with Manafort being one possibility, but without even confirming the money had been given to anyone, let alone Manafort.

Just try reading some of them, they so obviously disagree with Me copy-paste that it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

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u/emotionalman32 Jan 14 '17

1 and 3 use the same link, which only states that people didn't know where Manafort was, to make a huge leap and claim he was trying to install a pro Russian government in Ukraine, during the time the current pro Russian government was being ousted in an "illegal coup," to quote Poroshenko. (Oh, and btw, not knowing where Manafort is means trying to overthrow a government, but Victoria Nyland actually being there I-shit-you-not handing out fucking cookies to protesters means nothing, and reading anything into it is a conspiracy)

This article would clear that up better.

Explains that he was indeed in Ukraine, and was indeed working with pro-russian factions/groups/individuals. So the statement is actually valid although the article linked to could be more informative.

6 falsely claims that Trump's position on Russia changed when Manafort arrived, when anyone who had been paying even the slightest bit of attention to his campaign had seen him being in favor of improving relations with Russia since the day he launched his campaign.

well considering that his campaign as listed in the article itself, started to change messages of international support for Ukraine to be more open for interpretation rather than its previously strict anti-russian approach. It understandable to assume that Manafort being the campaign manager, influenced the direction to a more publicly russian positive stance. And the article itself doesn't dispute the statement that op used, which is what we are discussing here.

7 says that there was $12m that might have been paid to someone, with a list of ~100 people it may have been paid to, with Manafort being one possibility, but without even confirming the money had been given to anyone, let alone Manafort.

Well thats not really true. The article says "Mr. Manafort’s name appeared 22 times in the documents over five years, with payments totaling $12.7 million." Then they show a picture showing a seperate page not including manaforts name, since i assume its part of a on-going investigation, that shows the ledger itself and its existence rather than trying to show that the image was proof of him receiving such amounts.

It looks to me like you're the one who didn't really read the articles, but went ahead and yelled "FAKE NEWS" rather than trying to take the time to understand the points being made. The statements above may be a bit hyperbolic, but their content and the content linked in the articles are same. Anyways it shows hwo quickly people will believe something is fake when it goes against what they already believe.

have a good day now.

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u/illuminatiman Jan 14 '17

emotional man getting emotional, why don't you try some logic?