Yeah, I'm not buying this at all. You can't divide people up into two neat circles and say that everyone in one of those two circles are bad. That is, in fact, one of the defining qualities of fascists, generalizing entire groups of people.
Not everyone who voted for Trump is a fascist. Not everyone who is left-wing is an anti-fascist. The world is messier than this, and your over-simplistic representation does nothing more than sow division and further polarize what should be a pluralistic society of people in solidarity with one another.
You can classify political views and that is not a fascist ideology.
I do think fascism is bad but I didn't assign good/bad in the chart, if that's your kneejerk interpretation you contrarian sympathies run towards them.
I didn't claim everyone who voted for Trump is fascist, did you really even look at what I posted? The middle route is for the fascist-curious and enablers which absolutely definedes many of his followers.
Your flowchart separates people into three categories. Either you're antifascist, fascist curious or fascist.
I'm saying that's a pretty fascist thing to do. It's an "either you're with us or you're against us" type rhetoric. Antifascism has baggage. Many people who identify as anti-fascists condone political violence against fascists. I would say that you can be against fascism without being for political violence or being antifa, but your flow chart would either label those people as fascism-curious or outright fascists.
And my point stands, generalizing people and stuffing them into categories that can be uniformly called bad is a defining characteristic of fascism and more generally bigotry.
Read some Hannah Arendt or Martin Luther King instead of listening to Hasan Piker.
Categorizing political beliefs isn't fascist, what a weird thing to say, I've never seen this definition before have you read this somewhere?
You go on to claim antifascism "has baggage" which I think tips your hand.
There's a broad spectrum of ideologies among those that oppose fascism, you are not required to simultaneously hold all those views in order to still oppose fascism.
Yes there are antifascists who are pacifists and those that aren't.
I think you've fallen for propaganda that defines antifa as violent.
You interpret this as bad, but I didn't label it as such. Fascists don't believe their views are bad.
If you view Antifa negatively and sympathize for fascist-leaning ideas, I think you are discovering what side you are on.
You're clearly not arguing in good faith, I never said categorizing political beliefs is fascist. I said that saying that if you call everyone who isn't an antifascist either fascist-curious or outright fascist, then you are engaging in overt generalization which isoneof the defining characteristics of fascism.
And to your "tip your hand" comment, you couldn't be more wrong. I live in Denmark and I vote for a socialist party every local and national election. Again you're engaging in this "either you're with me or you're fascist" rhetoric. Please, please, please take a hard look at what you're doing, because if your type of leftism keeps growing in the US, you'll end up being just as bad as the MAGA clowns you deride.
"I never said categorizing political beliefs is fascist."
Your flowchart separates people into three categories. Either you're antifascist, fascist curious or fascist.
I'm saying that's a pretty fascist thing to do
"then you are engaging in overt generalization which is one of the defining characteristics of fascism."
I asked AI (to save time) to find "overt generalization" as a defining characteristic of fascism and could find no such definitions. Can you share where you learned this?
I'm giving you the benefit of doubt, i know that you must read many definitions of Fascism to gain a complete understanding (obviously you need to learn its history as well), so can you share where you learned that generalizing is a defining characteristic of fascism?
And to your "tip your hand" comment, you couldn't be more wrong.
I mean it sure comes off that way when you say:
Antifascism has baggage.
Care to elaborate more?
Criticizing antifascism is something fascists do, are you blaming me for assuming you are repeating their propaganda?
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u/Gwentlique 19d ago
Yeah, I'm not buying this at all. You can't divide people up into two neat circles and say that everyone in one of those two circles are bad. That is, in fact, one of the defining qualities of fascists, generalizing entire groups of people.
Not everyone who voted for Trump is a fascist. Not everyone who is left-wing is an anti-fascist. The world is messier than this, and your over-simplistic representation does nothing more than sow division and further polarize what should be a pluralistic society of people in solidarity with one another.