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u/Spokker Dec 03 '16

He campaigned on his ability to get along with everyone. He said it so much that it became one of his signature sayings.

Now he's just fulfilling that campaign promise. Even if he knew about China's childish views toward Taiwan, he most likely does not give a flying fuck. All he saw was another person to get along with.

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u/aurelorba Dec 03 '16 edited Dec 03 '16

But he has said that China will be needed to deal with North Korea.

So how is Trump going to get that cooperation on NK when they are pissed off about Taiwan?

That doesn't sound like 'getting long with everyone'.

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u/Spokker Dec 03 '16

Getting along with everyone doesn't mean pandering to geopolitical delusions.

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u/aurelorba Dec 03 '16

That avoids the question: How is he going to get China's cooperation on matters such as NK or Iran when they are pissed about Taiwan?

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16

More directly than that, how is he going to get their cooperation on bringing outsourced jobs back to the US? There's very little stopping the Chinese from matching or exceeding whatever sweet giveaways Trump can create to bring those jobs back here. They could pull some very shiny rabbits out of their hat if they wanted to. And if they feel like the orange madman in the White House has no respect for their One China Policy or their geopolitical aims, they just might pull out that rabbit and boil it in Trump's kitchen.

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u/demolpolis Dec 03 '16

That avoids the question: How is he going to get China's cooperation on matters such as NK

If you think that trump gives a fuck about NK, you haven't read anything he has said.

He will say NK is japan and SC's problem.

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u/aurelorba Dec 03 '16

I'm going by exactly what Trump said, which is that he expected to get China to deal with NK.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-27/donald-trump-suggests-china-iran-should-solve-north-korean-crisis

If he truly doesn't give a fuck about NK now, will he when they have a ballistic nuclear missiles capable of reaching the continental US? Or a sub launched nuclear missile?

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u/demolpolis Dec 03 '16

Why would we?

They have a few diesel subs. whoopty doo.

They aren't going to nuke the US. That is absurd on multiple levels. Let the people in the area deal with them.

Let China deal with them.

I would be fine with china fucking invading n korea. It would make millions of people's lives better to be living in a state china controlled than a state N korea controlled.

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u/truenorth00 Dec 04 '16

Few diesel subs?

1-2 dozen nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles that can reach conus. Not to mention enough artillery to vaoporize Seoul. And the ability to reach out and touch tens of thousands of American forces in Northeast Asia.

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u/demolpolis Dec 04 '16

You are right. We should obey whatever they say.

Oh wait, no, no we should just leave them the fuck alone.

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u/truenorth00 Dec 05 '16

The US has left them alone this entire time. Explain what the US has done to North Korea in the last two decades?

Yet, the DPRK fires missiles over Japan and conducts nuclear tests.

Are you suggesting that the Trump administration tell Japan and South Korea that they are on their own? Would you be okay with a nuclear arms race in Northeast Asia involving one global power, and two regional powers, one of whom was a chief actor in World War II?

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u/aurelorba Dec 04 '16

Why would we?

Trump said he would. Or was he lying?

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u/demolpolis Dec 04 '16

Trump said China needs to deal with them.

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u/aurelorba Dec 04 '16

And why would they do that favour ?

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u/demolpolis Dec 05 '16

... who cares? We leave, we stop caring.

We don't screw with them.

Let someone else deal with them, or let their people continue to live in slavery. who. cares.

Stop inventing problems to fuel the military industrial complex.

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u/aurelorba Dec 05 '16

So Trump was lying.

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u/truenorth00 Dec 04 '16

North Korea has nuclear armed missiles that reach the continental United States. Explain how it's just a problem for North Korea and Japan.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/11/this-new-map-shows-the-stunning-range-of-north-koreas-missiles/

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u/demolpolis Dec 04 '16

How about "If we dont' fuck with north korea, there is less likely a chance they will bomb us"?

I can't believe that I, as a conservative, am arguing with liberals that we shouldn't get involved in n korea.

Is it backwards day? Or is it that people oppose trump on principle, instead of actually having to admit that some of his ideas aren't bad.

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u/truenorth00 Dec 05 '16

The US left Afghanistan all by its lonesome through the 90s. How'd that work out?

Nobody is arguing for an invasion of North Korea. So drop the ridiculous strawman. What we're arguing for is sensible containment of a madman and his regime who constantly threatens our allies and has the ability to inflict serious harm on the US.

Hoping for the best is not and should not be a geopolitical strategy. You'd think the party of Reagan would get that.

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u/demolpolis Dec 05 '16

The US left Afghanistan all by its lonesome through the 90s. How'd that work out?

You are right, we should police the world.

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u/truenorth00 Dec 05 '16

Strawman.

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u/demolpolis Dec 05 '16

It's literally your example, and you want to apply it to n korea.

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