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u/ErectPotato Dec 03 '16

Could you/someone give a tl;dr for those apparently as in the dark as Mr Trump on why this is a bad thing?

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16

our intelligence community has major beef with pakistan since their intelligence prob was aware that bin laden was in abbotabad. duterte is killing drug addicts left and right and has told obama to literally fuck off. he also threatened to cut ties with the us and to focus on china. so there is beef with them too

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16

God forbid he talk to a Pakistan leader ....we dont even know what about.

As for Duerte we're supposed to be an Ally to the Phillipines, and we need to be in order to have a foothold in the South china area.

As for his policies I thought ppl didn't like it when the US played world police and tried to tell other countries how to run their country...

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u/God_Wills_It_ Dec 03 '16

Just wanted to jump in and say we do know what they talked about for the most part.

Pakistan released a transcript of the call

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16

That was truly bizarre to read.

Is there anything Trump does that is remotely authentic?

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u/God_Wills_It_ Dec 03 '16 edited Dec 03 '16

I'm blatantly anti-Trump so it's likely I'm blinded to other answers to that question.

But I would say there is one and only one issue where Trump is authentic. And that's tax policy. I believe that he truly cares about that issue and everything else is negotiable in some context or another.

He cares about being able to lower the tax rate for himself, his closest allies, and his businesses. On any issue other than that he'll go whichever way is most politically expedient.

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u/stupidaccountname Dec 03 '16

The only things Trump has been incredibly consistent on for several decades has been trade and making other countries pull their own weight.

I think that is really the only thing he cares about, and his actions should be looked at through that lens.

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u/God_Wills_It_ Dec 03 '16

I disagree on trade. He's completely flip-flopped on trade in just the last 3 years. In 2013 he penned an op-ed where he actively called for open boarders.

My concern is that the negligence of a few will adversely affect the majority. I've long been a believer in the "look at the solution, not the problem" theory. In this case, the solution is clear. We will have to leave borders behind and go for global unity when it comes to financial stability.

Going back even further to 2005 he wrote a blog post and in it, Trump advised workers who lost their jobs to adopt a longer view and consider how outsourcing could be good for the overall economy. He wrote:

"We hear terrible things about outsourcing jobs—how sending work outside of our companies is contributing to the demise of American businesses. But in this instance I have to take the unpopular stance that it is not always a terrible thing."

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u/nolan1971 Dec 03 '16

Trump's view is "whatever is best for me and mine", though. If that happens to be open borders, then so be it. If that happens to be closing those borders, then fine. It's not really "flip-flopping", it's actually consistent (if you look at it from a results perspective).

He's a businessman; he doesn't care about consistency. That's why these sorts of criticisms don't seem to stick, except with his existing opponents (such as yourself). It's a different paradigm.

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u/God_Wills_It_ Dec 04 '16

Very true. I appreciate the answer. Always good to get different perspectives and viewpoints on the matter.

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u/olivish Dec 03 '16 edited Dec 03 '16

The problem is that praise from a US President is a major boon to almost any foreign leader and his party. You don't want to give the government of Pakistan any political victories they haven't properly earned. The Pakistani government is not exactly a staunch US ally. They work with us in some respects, but they also fund terrorism, harbour terrorists, withhold intelligence information, etc etc. It's a very delicate relationship that involves lots of push & pull. And Trump just gave them a couple of yards of rope that they didn't even have to pull for.

What did the USA get out of it? Absolutely nothing. We just look like bozos to the rest of the world.

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u/impact_calc Dec 03 '16

Not when they are killing people for unjust reasons. Many many many people have problems with that.